Dear god increase the autoattack speed of marauder..

[Akuun]

I guess no one here has been bothered enough to read the class reform post.

MRD Abl. 5 O Increases attack speed and defense for each attack against you, and restores HP for each crit you land. Effect fades upon moving or reuse. Cannot be used simultaneously with MRD Ability 4.

So there's your speed increase.

[KumaAkuma]

It's not the same, because then you would have to be tanking as well, which isn't always the case.

[Duuude007]

More attack speed than it already has, and its damage enmity generation will eclipse GLA's voke + taunt + disorient + warmonger + war drums + accomplice + damage enmity generation... just like it does now.

I vote a resounding NO to this suggestion. Sorry.

[Shorty]

More attack speed than it already has, and its damage enmity generation will eclipse GLA's voke + taunt + disorient + warmonger + war drums + accomplice + damage enmity generation... just like it does now.

I vote a resounding NO to this suggestion. Sorry.

But this means you're assuming that GLD's enmity generation formulas will remain the same throughout right? In the next patch, they're getting combos that increase enmity output, and we have no idea how their damage will be adjusted as well. Will their WS damage formulae also change? What about other classes that are competing for a DD role with the MRD? Have their damage been adjusted too?

In case anyone's wondering, a simple 5% increase to the bonus a class gets from a stat say str can dramatically change their damage output position in relation to other classes. Because, ultimately, how good a class is depends on how good the other classes are at the same role. If we're expecting an AA speed change for MRD, how can you assume that other classes won't be changed?

Also, it seems like MRD is losing some AoE skills from the new list... I wonder if those AoE's from the latter parts of the combo chains can be used without being used as part of a combo?

[Lienn]

Indeed. Also you need to think that basic attacks will be removed or replaced with retaliation WSs....so now the delay will matter. In 1.19 the delay was just "how much TP that weapon generates"...but now it will really dictate the battle flow...

I do am expecting the worst outcome possible in 1.20...because it was balanced assuming jobs were there, which won't be the case until 1.21...so not only we will be tremendously slow but also maimed from some key actions that were left to jobs.

This time, i prefer to see it before i comment...and meanwhile hope the original FFXIV is getting ready to make a return so we have a place to run to when this game crumbles...

[Akuun]

If TP is based on weapon delay, then all classes generate TP at the same rate over time.
Slower attack speed is actually a good thing for an AoE damage dealer.
Here's why I say that, if an AoE heavy attacker hits fast too, then their weapons will break
at an increased rate, since item damage on weapons is based heavily on number of attacks.

This thread is silly, if you want to play a class that attacks fast, then please choose a class
that is a fast attacker.

[Aratharn]

Slower attack speed is actually a good thing for an AoE damage dealer. Here's why I say that, if an AoE heavy attacker hits fast too, then their weapons will break
at an increased rate, since item damage on weapons is based heavily on number of attacks.

lol

/10char

[Griss]

I do think marauder is about to undergo a bit of a paradigm shift. Right now the class is death incarnate in a one vs many setting.

It looks like a good majority of that is going to be going away in trade for a pretty hefty boost to the one on one situation while retaining a small fragment of the aoe capability that it currently enjoys.

Then again Marauder was in a very different place when this thread was created.

[Charismatic]

Then again Marauder was in a very different place when this thread was created.

Aye, some people don't seem to realize that this thread was created back in July.

[Shorty]

Well, it's either we create a new thread on what we want of MRD's in the future patches, or update on the current existing threads. Since there's a bit of communicating on this thread already, why not use it?