A design philosophy flaw. Misunderstanding what is fun and reward structure.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

To be fair, I still have quite a lot of fun in Eureka, after around 15 hours spent in it. I don't know if it's because many people are so negative, but there are people that are so much more positive as well... I don't know. Sure, the content is braindead farm, but people are rather nice in it, once you get a full party of people, and you can spend 2 hours with the same people, just treking from a zone to another, trying to spawn fates or do thing the old fashioned way... It's chill, and even though the farm is... let's say it's much more than it should probably be, I do it, not for the reward, but for the atmosphere of it.

Plus, remember that once you're e-lvl 20, you're e-lvl 20 on all your jobs, and we've already been told that lvl 20+ monsters drop more crystals than those below it... so maybe the farm isn't THAT much in the end, it's just a slow beginning, I don't know.

Either way, I'm not making this thread about Eureka, we still have so many threads around for this one to become another copy of them, what I'm saying is : Sure, the game is repetitive, sure there's little to no "fun" reward... But I think some of us might have fun playing, and chilling, not trying to achieve anything. And I think that's how the devs think, somehow. I think the way I see Eureka is the way the devs intended it to be, and intend pretty much everything to be... Thing is... I'm the minority, in all of this. Sure, the game suits me well, and I'll keep my sub active, for the RP and for Eureka, mostly, but there are many out there that will probably end their sub, or that have already done so.

I think a rework is definitely needed, but, even if the devs acknowledge that, I'm pretty sure we won't have any MAJOR change (maybe changes inside Eureka, but that's it) before 5.0. That'd already be a huge success, to be fair, seing how delusional they are... Anyway, I agree with you, even though I understand how the devs want us to see content.

[Kaonis]

To be fair, I still have quite a lot of fun in Eureka, after around 15 hours spent in it. I don't know if it's because many people are so negative, but there are people that are so much more positive as well... I don't know.

There's a group of people so blindly loyal to SE they still try to defend things like Diadem and 1.0, both of which failed very hard. Everything about Eureka is following the same pattern for Diadem 1 and 2 that its getting a little sad at this point.

Plus, remember that once you're e-lvl 20, you're e-lvl 20 on all your jobs, and we've already been told that lvl 20+ monsters drop more crystals than those below it... so maybe the farm isn't THAT much in the end, it's just a slow beginning, I don't know.

This is a bit of the problem though, it a long grind to make another grind more efficient. On top of that the leveling really doesn't do anything interesting. Its not like we level up and get new abilities or traits for Eureka, we just get stronger to fight higher level mobs and grind more efficiently. So effectively we hit max level in the game to go do content to make us re-level so we can grind a little quicker.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

There's a group of people so blindly loyal to SE they still try to defend things like Diadem and 1.0, both of which failed very hard. Everything about Eureka is following the same pattern for Diadem 1 and 2 that its getting a little sad at this point.

It's not a "loyalty" or "naive" thing... It's just that : I like Diadem, not because of the content itself, which is boring and braindead, but because of the atmosphere of it. The people doing it, that think "yeah, sure, that's bad... But at least, let's make it fun by being chill". But I guess it's more fun for you to do a scandal and harm that cheerful atmosphere... Sure, you don't like it, that's fair, but don't call people out for liking it, that's... respect, I guess.

This is a bit of the problem though, it a long grind to make another grind more efficient.

Yeah, well... actually, it's kind of a good thing from a certain point of view... I mean, it enables you to efficiently get stuff for your alt jobs... Sure, you need to do 60-100 hours of grinding, maybe more, to get to level 20... but if, after that, you need 10 hours for a whole set of AF2 Anemos, that's still quicker than doing another relic in HW. So... it's actually a pretty good idea, if you expect your players to get stuff for all their classes. And before you go all "you're blindly loyal", that's just what I think is their way of thinking. I don't find it that good of an idea, but hey, I never said either that Eureka was actually good. So I don't really know why I'm asking you to take a step back and think about what I say...

[Shihen]

Sure, you need to do 60-100 hours of grinding, maybe more, to get to level 20... but if, after that, you need 10 hours for a whole set of AF2 Anemos

The problem is not the time the grind requires, it is the boring nature of the grind itself. The people working on this game are where they are because they make these situations fun for a living, and are good doing that. For the vast majority of the playerbase, this is not fun. It is Staying Awake (Savage). It is being trashed, and rightly so, because this is not what you expect when a team of talented people is given over a year and a half to create something fun.

No one likes getting upset at the people behind the game they love, but it needs to happen for a change to be made.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

The problem is not the time the grind requires, it is the boring nature of the grind itself. The people working on this game are where they are because they make these situations fun for a living, and are good doing that. For the vast majority of the playerbase, this is not fun. It is Staying Awake (Savage). It is being trashed, and rightly so, because this is not what you expect when a team of talented people is given over a year and a half to create something fun.

No one likes getting upset at the people behind the game they love, but it needs to happen for a change to be made.

And that is a really valid concern, one I can, and do, share. I think, as you do, that it could be better, and many people here and there came up with wonderful ideas for Eureka. My point with Eureka, though, wasn't "Devs are doing great", they aren't. They are completely out regarding what the community wants, and although I choose to see Eureka as a "social bonding" instance as much as a PvE one, and therefore, I like it, it's still rather bad.

But I'm kinda bored by people going all "Everyone who goes into Eureka is stupid and is a cancer to this community"... How entitled do you have to be to think you can tell people what they like ? That's got nothing to do with the thread in itself, it just tilted me quite a bit, right there...