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[KaivaC]

I had to create a completely separate reply just for you two.

This is going too far. The necros need to stop because it is just spam.

Oh yes, it's going too far because, rather than continue to constantly engage in doom and gloom, venting, arguing, and generally going into more negative posts than positive on a daily basis, a few of us pulled up some old threads that are fun and ripe for further discussion because a lot of what it talked about lately doesn't create a positive atmosphere. Oh, it's too far when we want to bring up some fun threads from those that came to the forums before us and bring them to a new audience.

Oh wait...it's just too far because....oh my god, because it's fun. And we all know that the forums are SERIOUS BUSINESS! and no fun is allowed here. Confirmed now...there should be a /nofun megathread now, eh?

I'm silently reporting every necro post, hoping something will be done about it.

So basically, you just admitted to abusing the report system because you're not necessarily having any fun. Or perhaps it annoys you because it offends your sensibilities? So if there are a rash of bans that come out from this, I suppose you'd be proud of yourself. Even though we aren't breaking any rules, we are actually fostering some discussion, and because this is different from the usual not-so-positive front page you're used to seeing. It's not like anybody has forced you to come into these threads. Nobody said, hey, Panda, you can't go into another thread until you come here. Nobody is intruding upon your enjoyment of the forums. These threads aren't even covering half of the front page.

But if you want to feel all nice and secure behind a computer screen and just send off random, abusive reports, then do you. Personally, I need a break from the arguments and doom and gloom and did something a little fun and relevant to the forum discussions. It's nice to look at the past threads. Feel free to try to get me permabanned, though, if that's what you want. Maybe a mod will talk to you, though - tell you the real valid reasons behind sending a report, rather than wasting their time because you want to be offended.

[MomomiMomi]

If you want to bring some positivity, then why not create some new threads instead of spamming the forums with necros? Necroing threads doesn't generate positivity, spam is annoying and creates negativity.

And no, this necro didn't foster any discussion, nor did the one about the TV. They're just pointless.

[KaivaC]

If you want to bring some positivity, then why not create some new threads instead of spamming the forums with necros? Necroing threads doesn't generate positivity, spam is annoying and creates negativity.

And no, this necro didn't foster any discussion, nor did the one about the TV. They're just pointless.

I think there are more than enough new threads being posted as is. Any thread that I wanted to personally create, they've already been created. Here's a bigger question - why do folks like you, Joe, and Panda have such a huge issue with this, when the JP threads have a tendency to do the exact same thing, and there really are no issues over there? Or maybe I should revive the NA community vs JP community thread again and ask that question there?

Better yet, do you guys even know what spam actually is? You keep throwing that word out, but hmm...let's see what spam relevant to online forums actually is: related or unrelated advertisements, links to malicious websites, trolling, and/or abusive or otherwise unwanted information. And don't try to pull the argument that the last few words is related to these posts. If you're annoyed, then do the common sense thing and ignore it. It's not like you're being forced to read these posts. We're weren't distracting from any of the more recent threads that have come up either.

[MomomiMomi]

I think there are more than enough new threads being posted as is. Any thread that I wanted to personally create, they've already been created. Here's a bigger question - why do folks like you, Joe, and Panda have such a huge issue with this, when the JP threads have a tendency to do the exact same thing, and there really are no issues over there? Or maybe I should revive the NA community vs JP community thread again and ask that question there?

When you bring up an old thread, it causes confusion as people don't read the date and treat it as if it was a recent thread. But no. That guy bought his TV 5 years ago. He isn't asking for help buying a new TV anymore.

What the JP do is completely different. They keep the same threads active over a long period of time. These threads have been dead for 5 years.

[KaivaC]

Little did she know that ring would become irrelevant as soon as the next patch came out...

Personally, the forums have been rather stale lately. It's been very entertaining seeing old threads pop up again, bringing back memories of the beta and early launch.

I've always found it weird how there seems to be this unspecified line between creating a thread too similar to another one and bringing one back up that relates to a topic you want to discuss if it's been off page 1 for too long. Wouldn't it be preferable, in terms of searching, to have -fewer- threads on the same topic to sift through? Even if you don't create a new thread on the same topic until after it's bumped off the first page, you're still going to eventually have a huge mess of threads when trying to search a particular topic. Or is it just a convenient "out of sight, out of mind" type thing?

Probably the out of sight, out of mind thing. Also probably folks who are looking for a reason to get offended about something that have a huge issue with the necros. It's probably why a certain individual says he's been reporting (I suppose getting someone permabanned is fine when something annoys folks, even though they really have nothing to be annoyed about).

When you bring up an old thread, it causes confusion as people don't read the date and treat it as if it was a recent thread. But no. That guy bought his TV 5 years ago. He isn't asking for help buying a new TV anymore.

What the JP do is completely different. They keep the same threads active over a long period of time. These threads have been dead for 5 years.

I'm still failing to see your argument as a bad thing. Or why it annoys you to the point that you're (not you personally, I'm just speaking in general terms since someone said they've been sending reports on me) reporting me (we all know that the mods don't just delete topics...there's usually a permaban that follows). I dunno why it's so difficult to simply ignore it instead of sitting here arguing with me over something that really doesn't even need to be argued about. If folks go into a necro'd thread and treat it as a recent topic, they'll be corrected in the usual way that folks correct new forum members that don't know how to bypass the 1k word count, and then we'll either share our thoughts on whatever has been revived, or the thread will die out again like it died all those years ago. I didn't realize having a decent laugh about something many years ago was such a bad thing that the mods have to waste their time coming in here like this was a daycare and there were bad children looking back at old things that used to be talked about and having a somewhat decent conversation about it.

It's not like there's an overload of necro threads going on either - no more than ten at most, maybe slightly a bit more if that. It's not as if necros are drowning out recent threads. So again...why are some of you so offended about this that you find yourselves having no choice but to report?

[MomomiMomi]

It's not like there's an overload of necro threads going on either - no more than ten at most, maybe slightly a bit more if that. It's not as if necros are drowning out recent threads. So again...why are some of you so offended about this that you find yourselves having no choice but to report?

Nearly 50% of the threads on page 1 are necros.

Also, you previously said that any thread you wanted to make has already been made. Why don't you make a thread discussing the old topics of 2013? You can then keep this all in one thread.

[MoroMurasaki]

Nearly 50% of the threads on page 1 are necros.

Also, you previously said that any thread you wanted to make has already been made. Why don't you make a thread discussing the old topics of 2013? You can then keep this all in one thread.

You seem like potentially one of the more reasonable people here so I'd like to ask you a legitimate question - why do you care?

[KaivaC]

Nearly 50% of the threads on page 1 are necros.

Also, you previously said that any thread you wanted to make has already been made. Why don't you make a thread discussing the old topics of 2013? You can then keep this all in one thread.

Really? Do you know exactly how many threads spawned between August 2013 and December 2013? There are not many current active members who have been a part of the forums for that long. There are easily over 9000 threads created in that timeframe (take a look if you don't believe me. It starts from page 1769 and goes all the way to the last page, 2264). Do you know how many different topics spawned from everything in between?

I suspect that 50% is there's an unnecessarily antagonistic pair of players who are now openly admitting to abusing the report button, and in turn, we are responding by not allowing them to cyber-bully us - yes, I am going there because at the end of the day, they seem to be offended, so why not shut the 'offending necro players up' by openly, publicly saying they're being reported multiple times on the discussion forum just because they themselves don't like it.

The other part is that, yes, some of this is a fun little game, finding something that could be pretty relevant to discuss while also reviving it in hopes of a fairly good discussion. Fun fact: I didn't know race/gender stats was an overall thing with other MMOs until recently. I found this very thread we're in to be a welcome moment of humor that is now turning into a petty argument because folks are looking for the smallest of reasons to be offended. I also didn't know, in one of my other necros, that the dev team actually gave out T-shirt to participating in specific fights (Titan HM and Odin come immediately to mind).

[HyoMinPark]

When you bring up an old thread, it causes confusion as people don't read the date and treat it as if it was a recent thread.

This is just my opinion, but wouldn't that be on the people that failed to read the date? The confusion? It's not like the date is hidden or hard to find; it's at the top of every post, and present after the thread title when they click on it. I'm sorry, but blaming Kaiva for others' inability to fully read is silly.

Nearly 50% of the threads on page 1 are necros.

Also, you previously said that any thread you wanted to make has already been made. Why don't you make a thread discussing the old topics of 2013? You can then keep this all in one thread.

Are we talking General Discussion, or New Posts? Because, right now, at 20 threads per page, General Discussion only has 2 threads as necros; and at 25 threads per page, New Posts only has 2 threads that are necros (this is excluding the ongoing megathreads, such as the Marriage Thread, Tales of the Duty Finder, and Show Your [X] threads—since they are not necros). That’s...not 50% of the threads on Page 1.

Yeah, and it's off topic. That's another violation.

Ironically, so is all the arguing about necroing threads and calling people trolls for it.

Keeping things fresh is the opposite of what you necroers are doing. Not to mention you are generating negativity within your own positivity by bothering others with your antics.

If people are bothered, that’s on them. Your positivity being affected is because you get bothered by little things. I see old threads necro’d, and I just don’t care. Hence, my positivity is not bothered by this perceived negativity.

I find some of these old threads interesting; it’s nice to see how things were back in the day before I played. Then again, I also have read some of the old Megathreads (such as the Tales of the Duty Finder and Healer Horror Stories) from start to finish when I first joined the OF. Because it was interesting to read people’s stories on things that are now trivialized by blatant overgearing.

By all rights a mod should be here right now locking this thread and others involved and disciplining the necromancers. If that had happened this conversation would not be happening. I am honestly awaiting their arrival to quell this farce. In the meantime I exercise my right as a forum user to complain against the necromancy taking place, and I am not alone.

If I knew how to contact a mod directly I would be doing that instead.

You have a right to complain, but you don’t have the right to really police the forums. Neither do people have the right to threaten to report people (that IS a violation of the forum, by the way, since you’re purposely threatening someone).

Honestly, it sounds like you should just let things go; you may be better off for it, since this apparently bothers you so much. I don’t understand WHY, because you don’t HAVE to click on any of these old threads—you can just ignore them and scroll past them; that’s what I tend to do, though I spend less and less time on the OF these days in favor of other things.

And, as I already pointed out, they aren’t swamping Page 1 of either General Discussion or New Posts, so they cannot be considered “spammy”.

[MomomiMomi]

This is just my opinion, but wouldn't that be on the people that failed to read the date? The confusion? It's not like the date is hidden or hard to find; it's at the top of every post, and present after the thread title when they click on it. I'm sorry, but blaming Kaiva for others' inability to fully read is silly.

Not really. People typically don't look at the dates because, normally, threads that are on page 1 are actually current. So there is usually no need to look at the date.

Are we talking General Discussion, or New Posts? Because, right now, at 20 threads per page, General Discussion only has 2 threads as necros; and at 25 threads per page, New Posts only has 2 threads that are necros (this is excluding the ongoing megathreads, such as the Marriage Thread, Tales of the Duty Finder, and Show Your [X] threads—since they are not necros). That’s...not 50% of the threads on Page 1.

You're a few hours late. Last night there were 8 on page 1, and a total of 16 necro-threads on both pages 1 and 2. And no, I wasn't including the long-lasting threads.