About new MSQ Roulette reward

[Sesera]

I feel like tuning the rewards even higher won't help. We're already basically given a guaranteed level-up doing the roulette, and we currently don't have any current content that needs poetics to speed up progression (an issue marked by doing Eureka instead of a relic weapon grind.)

I also have a hard time staring at a "more than 30 minutes" queue time and not pulling out for leveling instead.

It's not just time taken to complete the dungeon, it's also the waiting and hoping you can get in.

Maybe for you but I was glad to be able to get some nice gear on my summoner once she got to 60 or even some nice accesories when she was 50.

[HyoMinPark]

Poetics are less than useless no matter how many it gives you.

I don’t consider them useless. As someone who is doing multiple relics, and also using them to buy pieces for glamour. I did poetics farming a couple weeks ago strictly for glamour pieces (the Hailstorm casting/healing outfits). I’ve been farming them now to work on another Anima. I know some people that farmed them to get 260/270 Shire for fresh 60s. So they aren’t entirely useless for people that still need them/want them.

[Ametrine]

That's why I specified CURRENT content. Once you break into Stormblood, unless you're going back to grab HW or earlier items, like gear or anima grinds, you don't *need* poet for anything. There is nothing that forces me to use Poetics on a class that's level 61 or higher. I can buy gear at vendors, and we don't have a 4.0 relic grind. There is nothing benefitting my level 70s that Poetics help.

So, a huge stack of Poetics aren't going to get many high level players to get into the roulette. Creation and Mendacity, though? Absolutely, I'd run it.

[Vexander]

Square could always add some other old rewards. Imagine if those dungeons dropped gear like what the Garleans use. I know that's asking FAR too much of course, but there are plenty of ways Square could make the old MSQ dungeons more appealing. Personally I wouldn't run them if not for the EXP boost but some days when I look at it in my roulette list I hesitate. "Is it worth it?" Some days it doesn't feel like it is.

[SavageCipher]

Maybe if they gave out 300 tomes and 2k in seals, till then, its simply not worth it. We're talking about non-skippable scenes, and the potential to wipe on whats already an hour long raid. Nah, no thanks.

[SavageCipher]

Square could always add some other old rewards. Imagine if those dungeons dropped gear like what the Garleans use. I know that's asking FAR too much of course, but there are plenty of ways Square could make the old MSQ dungeons more appealing. Personally I wouldn't run them if not for the EXP boost but some days when I look at it in my roulette list I hesitate. "Is it worth it?" Some days it doesn't feel like it is.

I honestly wouldn't mind some weekly minion drops or mounts from it. But again, we're dreaming big. If anything they'll just add more Tomes, but as it is currently, its simply not worth it.

[Xandos]

What they should do is allow you to pick your reward. Make the rewards commensurate with the time spent of course but allow the player to choose. This way anyone working on any content in the game has a reason to run the MSQ Roulette.

Crafter/Gatherer scrips
Poetics
Top tier tomes
Second tier tomes
GC Seals
Gil
EXP
Cracked Clusters

They could even throw in FC items like Aetherial Wheel or Ceruleum Tanks.

[BillyKaplan]

What they should do is allow you to pick your reward

That's an interesting idea. They can do what they did with Khloe where you get tokens and can exchange them for whatever you want once you have enough of them. The roulette gives a base amount of tokens; depending on which of the two dungeons you get, you get a bonus because of how much longer one is over the other; and of course, Adventurer in Need bonuses.

[KisaiTenshi]

So, a huge stack of Poetics aren't going to get many high level players to get into the roulette. Creation and Mendacity, though? Absolutely, I'd run it.

There is no point putting anything but poetics for MSQ because MSQ is 2.x content, and those tomes are not part of 2.0 content, and SE does not want people to farm MSQ for HW/SB content, because then people wouldn't run the hard content you get those tomes from.

All things considered equal , remember that there will be players who can not get past level 50 and will only get poetics from all queues they're allowed to do. So having level 51+ characters "helping" is really just denying them any challenge.

Really what needs to happen with MSQ is for it to be broken up like Coil/Alexander and thus go "mildly challenging trash mob sequence, mid/final-boss, cutscene, exit" Where the players can skip the cut scene and exit right away if they've seen it before. Hell, I would love it if they re-arranged the dungeons so that it's more like:

Castrum Meridianum: The Black Eft
Castrum Meridianum: Magitek Vangaurd F-1
Castrum Meridianum: Magitek Colossus Rubricatus
Castrum Meridianum: Livia sas Junius Magitek Armor
Castrum Meridianum: Livia sas Junius

The Praetorium: Mark II Magitek Colossus
The Praetorium: Nero tol Scaeva
The Praetorium: Gaius van Baelsar
The Praetorium: Magitek Factory (The armor sequence)
The Praetorium: Ultima Weapon turn 1
The Praetorium: Ultima Weapon turn 2
The Praetorium: Lahabrea

And then adjust the ilevel sync so all players are at level 50/iLevel 42-55 when a new player is in the party so there's at least more than 2 minutes of challenge to each segment. So instead of one 45 minute run/each, it's more like 3-10 minutes for each part. Sure it interrupts the pacing, but that didn't stop people from playing the Coil raids.

[BillyKaplan]

There is no point putting anything but poetics for MSQ because MSQ is 2.x content

50/60 roulette gives Creation and counts for the SB tank achievements. You can't even use the excuse you can for Leveling roulette which has the SB dungeons, 50/60 is pure pre-SB content but gives you SB awards. Roulettes are built by definition on people who have passed that content helping people who are behind, so your argument doesn't make sense.

SE does not want people to farm MSQ for HW/SB content, because then people wouldn't run the hard content you get those tomes from.

People will farm whatever gives them the most tomes for less time. And SE does very much want people to run MSQ roulette.

So having level 51+ characters "helping" is really just denying them any challenge.

The true challenge roulettes are here to solve is queue times. You can have an on-level sprout with 7 level 70s and it would still work as intended.

Really what needs to happen with MSQ is for it to be made into solo instances

Fixed it for you.