Dev blog: New Feast rewards

[Rieze_Xeero]

You can already buy weapons with wolf collars?

you act like they exist for no reason.

Top 100 and wolf collars are for different things champ

Yeah stupid looking weapon no one cares about :P

[Sindele]

I also await the impending whine threads asking for these rewards from the gear design contests to appear in the mogstation

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...bb881c4948f8ab

I just want everyone here to be consistent ok!?

The rewards that are also regularly and consistently available from contests where the winners are essentially drawn out of a hat? That have been available dozens of times over the years, to the point that people have amassed collections of all the items in it via runner-up prizes?

That's a solid argument in favor of making top-100 exclusive items available again later on, actually. Good call.

[Aviars]

The rewards that are also regularly and consistently available from contests where the winners are essentially drawn out of a hat? That have been available dozens of times over the years, to the point that people have amassed collections of all the items in it via runner-up prizes?

That's a solid argument in favor of making top-100 exclusive items available again later on, actually. Good call.

It's still through competition, rather, not making it widely available through the mog station people like you would want it. I could probably bet the people who have them barely break 100

It is rather convenient you ignored the entire point of my statement huh??

Even through the "dozens" of contests fewer people have probably managed to receive these rewards compared to the Feast rewards of which 600 people recieve EVERY season. I think according to your own statement it's a good idea to keep it exclusive ;]

Thanks champ -_^

Yeah stupid looking weapon no one cares about :P

Again, that is your opinion. Not every single thing in this game is made to cater to your tastes ;P

why don't you stop acting entitled to absolutely everything for a couple moments, thanks ;P

[zuzu-bq]

The rewards that are also regularly and consistently available from contests where the winners are essentially drawn out of a hat? That have been available dozens of times over the years, to the point that people have amassed collections of all the items in it via runner-up prizes?

That's a solid argument in favor of making top-100 exclusive items available again later on, actually. Good call.

I don't even entirely agree with Aviars but you completly missed their point.

[Sindele]

It's still through competition, rather, not making it widely available through the mog station people like you would want it.

It is rather convenient you ignored the entire point of my statement huh??

Considering I didn't say anything about method other than 'making it available again later on', that's a pretty interesting logical leap you've decided to make. Particularly since your point was never just about it being through "competition" nor explicitly about them being made available on the Mog Station, but I guess moving the goalposts is easier than accepting that you've accidentally made a flawed argument.

[Aviars]

Considering I didn't say anything about method other than 'making it available again later on', that's a pretty interesting logical leap you've decided to make. Particularly since your point was never just about it being through "competition" nor explicitly about them being made available on the Mog Station, but I guess moving the goalposts is easier than accepting that you've accidentally made a flawed argument.

You seem to ignore the fact that these competition rewards are more exclusive than Feast rewards. So you do a couple of flips and mental gymnastics to arrive to the conclusion that it means SE is looking to make these rewards widely available for everyone to have a shot at when that simply isn't true.

Anyways, just because I did not explicitly say the word "competition" in one of my arguments does not mean I did not believe in it at that time. Keep trying to cherry pick my posts to try and say I never believed in something.


If I need to break it down for you since you are being completely disingenuous about the entire discussion I will.

1. I believe top 100 should be rewarded with a unique set of gear/mount
2. I believe that casuals like yourself should be able to have a adequately(enough to be very distinguishable) toned down version of said top 100 reward through playing in ranked Feast.

It is pretty simple, my first point doesn't say the word "competition," but it is HEAVILY implied through the fact people trying to get top 100 against other people is, in fact competing, so you are just flat out wrong. Point 2 mentions people getting said rewards through ranked Feast, this is in response to people who think everything should be moved to gold saucer, mogstation and other means that THEY prefer. So no I don't move goalposts, but you just seem to have completely missed them.

I hope that makes you understand buddy

[zuzu-bq]

1. I believe top 100 should be rewarded with a unique set of gear/mount
2. I believe that casuals like yourself should be able to have a adequately toned down version of said top 100 reward through playing in ranked Feast.

This is a good middle ground. And can be implemented in so many ways. At the moment the only thing close to this we had were the wolf accessories and now the weapons via collars. They don't seem to intend place the bigger rewards in any kind of that system, it's honestly a shame.

[Sindele]

You seem to ignore the fact that these competition rewards are more exclusive than Feast rewards. So you do a couple of flips and mental gymnastics to arrive to the conclusion that it means SE is looking to make these rewards widely available for everyone to have a shot at when that simply isn't true.

I'd be willing to bet that considerably more than 600 rewards in total have been given out. The biggest change to the reward pool since release was the addition of one single item to the list of options. Note that, specifically - the list of options. Not 'indefinitely exclusive competition-based items that are never given out again in any way, shape, or form'. Find me some of those and I'll argue stridently against them, too. (In fact, I can think of one for you - and it's the most minor thing ever, but it still bugs me - the damn Skyrockets that were only available in that one single video contest, which were JUST made market-restricted last patch for some incredibly obnoxious reason I can't fathom.)

EDIT: In fact, delightfully, looking back at that contest with the Skyrockets revealed that the Mandragora Choker was the only item in its reward list - an item that has been on the list of contest reward options since. How 'bout that. (Also, they gave out 300 of them. Halfway there already.)

Anyways, just because I did not explicitly say the word "competition" in one of my arguments does not mean I did not believe in it at that time. Keep trying to cherry pick my posts to try and say I never believed in something.

In that post you *specifically* argue that you're against Wolf Collars as an option. You want top 100 rewards to be indefinitely exclusive forever, and we will never see eye to eye on that front. Indefinite exclusivity, as far as I'm concerned, is an irritating plague. Time-restricted, fine! Have a special thing for a year or two, you won't hear a whisper of complaint out of me, that much I'll grant you've certainly earned. Hell, put a sticker on its ass and a tag line whenever you're inspected that shows your ranking that one time. All for it. Indefinite exclusivity for major content like mounts and gear, though, I've maintained pretty consistent opposition to.

If I need to break it down for you since you are being completely disingenuous about the entire discussion I will.

1. I believe top 100 should be rewarded with a unique set of gear/mount
2. I believe that casuals like yourself should be able to have a adequately toned down version of said top 100 reward through playing in ranked Feast.

It is pretty simple, my first point doesn't say the word "competition," but it is HEAVILY implied, so you are just flat out wrong. Point 2 mentions people getting said rewards through ranked Feast, this is in response to people who think everything should be moved to gold saucer, mogstation and other means that THEY prefer. So no I don't move goalposts, but you just seem to have completely missed them.

I hope that makes you understand buddy

The only disingenuous argument here is your repeated claim that because people want to see re-releases outside of the top 100 structure that that means they want it on the GS, the Mog Station, or other similarly trivial methods. Nobody's saying it has to be necessarily easy or immediately available.. except you.

[Aviars]

I'd be willing to bet that considerably more than 600 rewards in total have been given out. The biggest change to the reward pool since release was the addition of one single item to the list of options. Note that, specifically - the list of options. Not 'indefinitely exclusive competition-based items that are never given out again in any way, shape, or form'. Find me some of those and I'll argue stridently against them, too. (In fact, I can think of one for you - and it's the most minor thing ever, but it still bugs me - the damn Skyrockets that were only available in that one single video contest, which were JUST made market-restricted last patch for some incredibly obnoxious reason I can't fathom.)

What you are willing to bet probably doesn't match with reality when 1st place and around 10 runner-ups get the reward. you seem to think they've held hundred of competitions, that is fine reaching you got there. And to move on, when SE eventually does change competition rewards, you can probably bet they won't be made widely available to normal players. The fact that it is so rare to have those items already destroys your argument. Virtually everyone who plays this game has NO CHANCE of getting those items, same with ranked feast items. Get over it.

In that post you *specifically* argue that you're against Wolf Collars as an option. You want top 100 rewards to be indefinitely exclusive forever, and we will never see eye to eye on that front. Indefinite exclusivity, as far as I'm concerned, is an irritating plague. Time-restricted, fine! Have a special thing for a year or two, you won't hear a whisper of complaint out of me, that much I'll grant you've certainly earned. Hell, put a sticker on its ass and a tag line whenever you're inspected that shows your ranking that one time. All for it. Indefinite exclusivity for major content like mounts and gear, though, I've maintained pretty consistent opposition to.

Top 100 rewards are top 100 rewards for that specific season, and it is a reward shown that you played that season. That is a concept you don't seem to understand. You will never convince me that making these rewards eventually being purchasable through wolf collars, AND THEREFORE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE, is what needs to happen. In that case you just ruined the idea of competition in the first place.

to make an example, do olympic players get to play for past olympic medals??? Um no. and do the olympics make past medals somehow available to EVERYONE? Uh no.

It's quite simple really, top 100 rewards should remain exclusive because that was what they were made for in the first place, the top 100 of that season, stop feeling so entitled to every single thing you see.

The only disingenuous argument here is your repeated claim that because people want to see re-releases outside of the top 100 structure that that means they want it on the GS, the Mog Station, or other similarly trivial methods. Nobody's saying it has to be necessarily easy or immediately available.. except you.

If you really think that is true, you haven't been reading the thread or any similar threads. this type of conversation has happened pretty much every season where Ranked Feast has gotten their rewards revealed and people get salted over the fact PVP has these rewards in the first place. So maybe you should actually read more before putting the blinders on, reading is power right?

[Sindele]

Well, considering you're now comparing placement in a mass-market video game to the Olympics - I think this argument has pretty much run its course. You feel entitled to an ego stroke that lasts forever, I feel entitled to getting my grubby little hands on old rewards long after they're relevant, and ne'er the two views shall meet.