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  1. #11
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    If PVP gets to keep their exclusivity, then I wish that the top Grand Company ranked players (in Frontlines), the top Free Companies per data center, the top Deep Dungeon Players and the World First players also got items that no one else could have.

    But for some reason, they don't.
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    While I support the avaliability of Top 100 Feast reward by other means (like they did with the weapons but for everything instead) doing it for 8v8s or as participation/win rewards are terrible ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormfur View Post
    If PVP gets to keep their exclusivity, then I wish that the top Grand Company ranked players (in Frontlines), the top Free Companies per data center, the top Deep Dungeon Players and the World First players also got items that no one else could have.

    But for some reason, they don't.
    Those aren't competitive modes, they're just accomplishments if anything, therefore no exclusive reward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crit View Post
    Those aren't competitive modes, they're just accomplishments if anything, therefore no exclusive reward.
    Top Deep Dungeon players is definitely competitive as it is on a point system.

    Also what isn't competitive about being the first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AchaNoYumi View Post
    It wouldn’t be much of a contest if everybody got their hands on the same grand prize...
    So change the Grand Prize. Why make it anything as desirable as a mount, housing item, gear, etc...? Make it a title and maybe something like so many months of free subscription time or something. Or the E-Currency used on the Mogstore.
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexander View Post
    Why make it anything as desirable as a mount, housing item, gear, etc...?
    Well, the idea is to make people put up with Feast for it. As such, the whole point is to make it something desirable so you overcome your disgust of the mode in order to try and get a shiny.

    If they only put up medals like in real life competitions, that wouldn't work. People laugh at the accessories.

    I mean, it still doesn't work all too well, because most people consider it waaay out of reach and don't even try. But bad products kinda need good promotions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    Well, the idea is to make people put up with Feast for it. As such, the whole point is to make it something desirable so you overcome your disgust of the mode in order to try and get a shiny.

    If they only put up medals like in real life competitions, that wouldn't work. People laugh at the accessories.

    I mean, it still doesn't work all too well, because most people consider it waaay out of reach and don't even try. But bad products kinda need good promotions.
    So you're saying the gameplay is, inherently, not enjoyable, and they need to coax players into it with time-limited exclusive items and rewards based purely on ranking? I think they have a bigger issue on their hands than the debate between players over whether or not exclusive rewards like mounts, gear, housing items, etc... should be limited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexander View Post
    So you're saying the gameplay is, inherently, not enjoyable.
    The Feast is not enjoyable and Zojha nailed it on the head. I personally have never participated in any feast tournaments because I do feel it would be way out of reach. I participated in TT tournament for example and I didn't even place in the top 40 when I won 17/20 matches. But if you look at the winners they are 10/20 wins to losses.

    If feast was enjoyable as a whole then SE wouldn't even need to give out mounts. Mounts are an enticement to participate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexander View Post
    So you're saying the gameplay is, inherently, not enjoyable, and they need to coax players into it with time-limited exclusive items and rewards based purely on ranking?
    The Feast gets maybe one or two items or so every patch, usually not even functional items like a mount or real gear, just a glamour set to look at and then a reskin of the same set as of the last few seasons. They did a reskin of the old hellhound mount reward, and will probably just reskin the current mount again. Ultimately, we get about one reward per season, but they'll just offer the same reward again as a reskin for the following season.

    If you don't count reskins, it's a new reward only every other season. Including the longer preseason times, it's actually not much, certainly not out of the ordinary for any PvP game.

    I wonder if E-sports tournaments would be better off if they removed the hefty grand prizes? Maybe the organizers could save some money if they just made their game funner.
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