Extreme primals do not belong in Mentor roulette.

[Usho]

That's pretty much my opinion and experience too, so yeah, agreed.

Same with me as well. For example, did mentor roulette once, got Ifrit EX. The mechanics were explained during the fight. First couple wipes is natural if you have newbies in the party. But after the next 3 wipes, I concluded that they just aren't getting it and that this is a waste of my time. I may be a mentor...but...(and this is a big BUT)...I'm also a player who values my time. I don't mind mentoring new players, but if even after explaining mechanics and the party just doesn't listen, then it's considered a waste of time and I wouldn't mind eating the 30min penalty.

If the newbies aren't willing to listen and just ignore mechanics, it's not the mentor's fault, it's the fault of those who aren't willing to listen and learn.

[Seig345]

One of my most enjoyable Mentor Roulette experiences was also an Ifrit EX run. We had a couple other mentors rage quit on us and their spots got filled in over time, and we managed to clear it, and it felt all the more rewarding given the time and effort put into improving the new players' handling of the mechanics. As I mentioned in the other thread on the first page asking for EX trials to be removed from the mentor roulette, most of my more memorable mentor roulettes have been EX trials that struggled at first and then came through in the end.

Not everyone is going to figure it out in 3-6 wipes. People are diverse, some people are slow learners, so that threshold for deciding "they simply can't/won't do it" isn't all that clear-cut.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I just stopped running mentor roulette tbh. I think I have 2 clears. Most of my queues have popped me into EXs, and they have always vote abandoned after 30+ mins of failing basic mechanics. Healers who could keep party topped off for apes, tanks who wouldn't learn to tank swap. Dps who didn't kill adds.

At lvl 50+, basic job knowledge should be known. I don't mind teaching fight mechanics, but those are honestly not usually the problem. It's tanks who don't know what a cool down is, or how to provoke. Spending 30 minutes teaching that in endgame content is not what mentors are for.

[AxlStream]

If you think EX trials shouldn't be in the mentor roulette, it's you who shouldn't be in the mentor roulette. You are litterally donating your time when queuing for it, so if you aren't ready to saddle up for the whole ride, do all other mentors a favor and don't even wear the crown.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

If you think EX trials shouldn't be in the mentor roulette, it's you who shouldn't be in the mentor roulette. You are litterally donating your time when queuing for it, so if you aren't ready to saddle up for the whole ride, do all other mentors a favor and don't even wear the crown.

I don't wear the crown. However, mentor roulette forces the crown on you. Just an FYI.

You can't queue mentor roulette and not have the crown on.

I'd also point out that some of my worst experiences in DF have been with crown wearers. Besides, I've had better luck teaching people when I don't have a crown on.

[Deceptus]

If there was a separate roulette for just EX primals, it can be guaranteed that literally no one would do them, especially when players can just unsync them and have it finished in minutes.

That sounds to me like a good reason to not have them in the roulette in the first place.

If no one (or very few) would do this content synced in the first place voluntarily, how is attempting to force it on unwilling players better?

[Oakley]

Average player who know how to question and watch mechanics can deal with and clear that kind of content.

But that's my point. Novices aren't "average players", they're novices, i.e. new to the game. And even if they were average players, is it really reasonable to expect content with "Extreme" in the title to be designed for average players?

[Reinha]

If you think EX trials shouldn't be in the mentor roulette, it's you who shouldn't be in the mentor roulette. You are litterally donating your time when queuing for it, so if you aren't ready to saddle up for the whole ride, do all other mentors a favor and don't even wear the crown.

Who exactly does it benefit if players stop queuing for a roulette? The MSQ debate shows it's the opposite of doing a favor.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Admittedly, I go back and forth on this. While one side argues the whole purpose behind Mentor Roulette is teaching players how to handle all sorts of content, Valkyrie makes a good point that you'll often get people who don't even know the basics of their job. Teaching someone how to tank swap, rotate CDs at precisely the right moment isn't likely to occur in under sixty minutes, especially when you then have to explain the actual mechanics of the fight itself.

[Crescents]

Okay, so the people who are saying "new players deserve a shot at this" have very clearly never been thrown into mentor roulette of this type. Just as an example, a few months ago I was put into a Shiva Extreme only myself a dps, and a tank were the only people with crowns and after explaining mechanics over and over and over again we never did make it past adds even because the healers simple were not healing and tanks were just dying to damage which should of course never ever happen.

The real issue here isnt "entitled mentors" it's new players not understand the hard mode to extreme difficulty jump and going in like "why should I have to look it up before hand...?" even duty finder listing a warning message before queuing these encounters would be enough to make sprouts consider "hey maybe I should look into this"

You can explain mechanics all day if you want to, but it wont help if people are just simply not taking part in basic things like healing expecting these fights to be just another carry.