Here you go Yoshida, hard-straight stats.

[Murugan]

They don't get them any faster than the dev team would let them.

If you do such a fundamental change to the system, you'd be extremely naive to think that the drop rate wouldn't be affected. Suddenly people have much better access to all the weapons than they did before. Drop rate will be adjusted accordingly.

Overall in the group? Yes, but that is negated by the fact that they share the loot list.

Even if you had the drop rate of one person's personal loot list's 10% chance of any weapon (roughly the same as Darkhold, which was out just as long as Ifrit.), people could get loot just as quick but organized linkshells and groups could actually distribute drops and get their members the gear they actually wanted faster.

"Oh I'm sure they took everything into account and made this awesome loot system as the best possible solution" have you even done Ifrit?

People obviously wouldn't be stopped from doing content if the drop rate was <2% (been doing it for a decade) for the weapon they want, as we have tried to hammer into your head for the last 23 pages and multiple threads we just want to be able to get rewards as a group for group content.

[elreed]

Honestly it doesn't matter what they add in for need/greed/pass. Most LS will require you pass the item. It will not be random. I honestly wish they made ALL NM drops like Ifrit with ONE change. Ability to pass ONLY if you have the item already.

That's it.


I support the /random.

Look from my experience before ifrits fight, i got every gear faster in the r45+ dungeon because of the thing that you say is not good at all, with the loot list, you could pass the item to someone that needed it, example: if a mage gets a melee gear or weapon could pass it and if you get a mage item you could give it to someone in the party, so right now if the THM weapon drops 11 times for you (im saying this because of a friend that has that problem, and hes a tank) you cant pass the item or get any other weapon that you dont really need, so with the option to pass the item you can have the item that you need in a faster way, i've been killing ifrit more than 40 times and only got 2 items, thankfully i can use those but i still havent got my axe so i prefer the last system by far.

[Nix]

I didn't think that I was vague in what was posted, but after looking it over and discussing it, I made an update to simplify it further. The original post has been updated and here is the changed text:

I'm curious with the new change; Will each person still have a turn @ the chest? Or will it become like the Darkhold chests for example where one person hits it and the item will randomly fall to someone in the party?

[Claire_Pendragon]

The only reason ifrit drop rates are being increased, is to give players the gear who have not gotten it yet, while the same BS happens for Dark Moogle Primal battle.

Yoshida said he wants the current hard to get items to remain hard, until he releases the next endgame content, where he will make the previous content either easier to win, or increase drop rates. This way 1 thing remains hard to get, and previous content can be tackled by those lagging behind.

[Malkasha]

Just my 2 bits.....

Since the release of Ifrit, I have had well over 400 wins. I am currently 5/7 with 4 multiple drops. Most of the time I go 55-60 wins before I get something other than dark matter. Alot of people by now also have 8+ stacks of dark matter to show for it. You can keep the drop rate the same but give us a non-tradeable token. Let us trade that token to an NPC for our choice of 1 of 7 weapons or option 8, a set amount of gil eg. 10k. Please for the love of god stop giving dark matter as a reward from these types of fights unless we can use that to repair all lower grade items with it or trade it into another npc for different rewards. It's bad enough that we have to spend additional time to farm items just for more chances at dark matter. Give the dark matter to those that don't have a lamp instead of the potions.

Since we are also on the topic of how much time we are waisting till 2.0, let us meld primal, darkhold and NM drops. Give us a reason to repeat older content as new content gets released.

[Amage]

I like the game because i play with my friends if it werent for them may have rated this game awesome graphics and completely garbage system of loot drop

i agree with OP that the ifirt loot pool should be like how it used to be . and this lets spam kill it and have ppl who already have the drops keep getting dupe drops . yoshida in my opinion doesnt know what an mmo or should i say a real mmo is till we get a better directer for FFXIV i will continue to play/pay but will not be surprised for the horrid drop system half ass content and wow like implementation ...


Bet money we get Light Sabers when that other garbage mmo releases (SWTOR)

[Ambit]

I'm getting tired of this bogus drop system. I do not want to kill ifrit 1000+ times for weapons. I'm already tired of 50+ as it is.
Please SE, Hot-fix some items. It isn't a sin to hot-fix.

[Hikozaemon]

I'm getting tired of this bogus drop system. I do not want to kill ifrit 1000+ times for weapons. I'm already tired of 50+ as it is.
Please SE, Hot-fix some items. It isn't a sin to hot-fix.

Yoshi is turning into a Tanaka. He outright refuses to remove repairs that 99% of the players complain about. And instead of adding a fix to this one-sided cluster #$%@ called ifrits drops he just adds some other mechanic that will cause more complaints to poor in. Ive now went thru 245 tapers and ive gotten 6 ifrits canes.......... AGAIN?! why am i playing this game. Why are we allowing ourselves to be punished for playing this game? Why should i feel like a dick whoring out ls members to help kill ifrit when they dont want to anymore or have lost there desire too because they have been shit on by this shitty drop system where you can easily go 40+kills and not see crap. Why does the majority of people complain that they are gettin multiple drops of the same weapon over and over and over again when its suspose to be a equal chance for all (IFrits cane/Sword)? I'm a melee so my share of work at ifrit is much less stressful thank tank/mages. I dont know how any mage can tolerate repeating this fight. I dont think i can make it till job release at this point> Yoshi needs to get his hands off his head and stop flailing his hair about and make weapons drop to pool and scrap the dumb key item idea all together.

[Rydin]

He outright refuses to remove repairs that 99% of the players complain about

thats hyperbole.... I don't even think 50% of the player base posts on this forum

why am i playing this game.

That is a personal question you'll have to answer for yourself after some serious soul searching and deep meditation

Yoshi needs to get his hands off his head and stop flailing his hair about and make weapons drop to pool and scrap the dumb key item idea all together.

That's angry... just angry, SMH

[Rowyne]

Yoshi is turning into a Tanaka.

If that were true, we wouldn't even have forums.

He outright refuses to remove repairs that 99% of the players complain about.

Who is this 99%? Have you read the repair threads? The only consistent complaint at this point is the fact that you can't trade items that aren't at 100% durability. It's actually a small minority of people that would like to do away with the system. From what I've seen, most people are in favor of it.

As for the rest of the rant... /comfort