Why is the North American community so much worse than the Japanese one?

[KaivaC]

It actually really is lol.. You can't even trade Byakko weapons and Sigma gear in for seals yet, can you? What use do you have for them? What are you actually lotting on them for? To lower your inventory space by one? Why would you lot on something that has no use to you?

I dunno...I don't trade relevant gear for seals. That's a question you'd have to ask someone if they tried to do it. Other than that, do you know for sure that they don't need the gear? Are you assuming that maybe they are picking up gear for a job that they are going to eventually unlock and level up? No, it sounds like you're just making some assumption in order to push an irrelevant point. And if someone brings up a counter argument and gives you an actual good reason for why they draw on gear, you resort to...

It absolutely is called "Greed", doesn't mean that you should use it to lot against someone who can actually use it.

This right here.

I mean do you not know what etiquette actually means? Etiquette is often unspoken, and dictates what is considered polite. If you don't think "Oh this weapon or item is relevent for those who can actually use it at the moment, I am going to pass to allow those who can actually use it" is not the proper way to be polite, then I don't know what to tell you..
However I don't expect people to follow the oldschool etiquette since it has obviously changed over the years. I am just using this very example (again) to highlight part of the OP's observation as to the greedy mentality of the NA culture.

I mean, do you not know what greed actually means? Greed also is often unspoken, and dictates an item that somebody wants for their own reasons. If you don't think players get presented with a greed option, and 9 times out of 10 in current content, they will not hesitate to roll on it, then I don't know what to tell you.

Define old school etiquette. Because something like this has existed for a long time. There are always going to be players who want something that they can't equip.

Good for you. However how much nicer would it be if you had faith in humanity and those that cannot actually use the item for anything currently, to just pass instead?
That is my entire point.

I am not refuting that what you are saying is considered normal behaviour. I am saying that it is poor etiquette (which is valid) and it is purely a greed mentality that is brought on by cultural influences.
And you not thinking it is poor etiquette is part of my entire point. NA culture doesn't see greed mentality as bad.

Why are you bringing in things like faith and humanity in this? What in the hell does that have to do with the current discussion about online gaming communities or the 'Need/Greed' system? No, what you are saying about this being poor etiquette is not a valid argument. You have a greed option - obviously, if players are presented with that option and they have no reason to not pull on an item, it is not greed mentality to not pull on it - it's just human nature. That goes for everything. This is not just an NA thing - this is a gaming thing. Always has been.

[Altena]

What a way to derail a thread.

Some players may do that I don't know nor would I know how frequent it happens, but you seemed to be claiming that everyone does and making a generalization that all players who roll greed on things like that and cannot use it right that moment (no matter if they were level 69) are all greedy and that everyone is like this in our culture. I simply was explaining that isn't always the case and that especially in online games people need to type out and ask for what they want if the group has no rules.

The very fact that you, and many others think it is "ok" to do this, just shows why I am allowed to make that generalization.
Especially considering my opinion is the unpopular one, and that the idea of "Greed is for all" is just the general consensus.

That is why I am allowed to make the generalization.

You are also putting words in my mouth.
I never said "all players".
I mean I don't do it. You apparently don't do it..
However a very large portion of the NA community seems to think it's "ok to do it".
I mean even you think it's ok to do it, despite not doing it yourself.

As for the "lvl 69" thing.. Again you are putting words in my mouth.
If you scroll back to the very post you quoted, I literally said that it's not even a big deal if someone is levelling or intends to use the item in the very near future.

The problem I have with it, and what I see is poor etiquette is if someone lots on it "just because" (as in the example I made with the streamer who did).
Many people don't see this kind of behaviour as bad.
Traditionally actions like that would earn you the title of "Loot Whore", and it wasn't a positive title to have.. But in the NA side of this game, that title doesn't seem to exist anymore.

Also how do you know people simply "lot on it because they can" and no other reason? Do you have examples of this happening frequently? How do you know said players did not end up using the item?

Err the streamer was just one small, public example.
And the very fact that so many people seem to think "it's ok to do this", proves that this happens frequently..

There is a pretty big difference between having a good or bad opinion on something and simply being neutral or indifferent. I personally simply don't care what other people roll on or why. It has nothing to do with it being bad or good. I just don't care.

So you would be totally cool with some person winning X Sigmascape Savage weapon on a job that you could use, when their job is level 1? Rightio. Opinions and stuff.

But yeah I am done with this. Feel free to reply, but you won't get one from me.

[Miste]

The very fact that you, and many others think it is "ok" to do this, just shows why I am allowed to make that generalization.
Especially considering my opinion is the unpopular one, and that the idea of "Greed is for all" is just the general consensus.

That is why I am allowed to make the generalization.

I don't think you are actually...listening to what I have been saying. I said multiple times now I don't care; not that someone lotting only to lot and no other reason is "ok", but in general I don't know why people lot on things but I don't make assumptions either and since I don't care I don't bother asking them why.

Since I don't know why they rolled I don't have an opinion on if their behavior was "good" or "bad" and therefore I remain indifferent instead of making an assumption which may be incorrect.

You do seem to make assumptions since in the end you never know why someone lotted on something unless you ask, yet you claim a lot of NA practice this "lot just to lot" mentality. You have no proof of this at all so it just ends up a baseless claim.

Also making generalizations is not a good way to prove any point.

You are also putting words in my mouth.
I never said "all players".

Hence how I said "you seemed" to be making generalizations, but you did admit to making generalizations right in this post and declared you are allowed to....so no I didn't actually put words in your mouth since you actually admitted to doing it. You are still generalizing that "a lot of NA do this behavior" when you have zero proof of that.

As for the "lvl 69" thing.. Again you are putting words in my mouth.

No, I'm not. You are simply misunderstanding what I wrote. I was explaining to you what it seemed like you were doing from my point of view. In the end I was right since you are making generalizations, but as for the level 69 thing it was me explaining what I thought mostly due to you likely not asking everyone you have encountered greeding on things they can't use "why did you greed on that?" so in the end you wouldn't know why.

However a very large portion of the NA community seems to think it's "ok to do it".
I mean even you think it's ok to do it, despite not doing it yourself.
The problem I have with it, and what I see is poor etiquette is if someone lots on it "just because" (as in the example I made with the streamer who did).

Where have I said that I feel it is ok to lot just because you can and for no actual reason?

One streamer who did doesn't prove a lot of people do it. Not sure why you think so.

And the very fact that so many people seem to think "it's ok to do this", proves that this happens frequently..

Proves nothing actually. You can't even prove that so many people think "it's ok" to lot just because... so no that isn't a "fact". All of this is only your personal opinion.

So you would be totally cool with some person winning X Sigmascape Savage weapon on a job that you could use, when their job is level 1? Rightio. Opinions and stuff.

I wouldn't even find out since I don't care. I don't check people's jobs when they roll on something. Even if I somehow knew it was level 1 I don't care I'll just get myself the item at a later date either by trying to win greed or switching to that job to be able to have the privilege to roll Need. It's not like I can't get loot for the job I am on. I can roll Need on anything I actually need for the job with which I completed the fight on.

[Metalwrath]

Lol is someone actually trying to say greeding on an item makes you toxic?

[Nedkel]

Lol is someone actually trying to say greeding on an item makes you toxic?

You could terrorize your team as a tank, if they wont give you everything, you will leave the duty. xD

[Ghastly]

ElazulHP made that comment about Trump and it's still hated on 3 days later, tells you a lot about the point it was trying to make.

[Sesera]

ElazulHP made that comment about Trump and it's still hated on 3 days later, tells you a lot about the point it was trying to make.

Or maybe because it's one of the first comment you will see if you click on this thread and it was dumb as hell?

[AnimaAnimus]

ElazulHP made that comment about Trump and it's still hated on 3 days later, tells you a lot about the point it was trying to make.

Well it is apparent she is new to the internet and mmos.

I have been playing mmos for 15 years and it has always been a thing, Trump had nothing to do with it. This has always been a thing. So yeah, what Sesera said.

[Ghastly]

Well she said people came out of the woodwork in droves so she knows it has always existed as you said, maybe people are not reading beyond the first sentence or interpret it differently. Nonetheless, both NA and JP are a representation of their country/culture, nothing new.

[Lauront]

Perhaps people are simply more likely to resist the peer pressure "liberals" try to apply to those with dissenting opinions than before.

Oh well.