5.0 job skills, what we want and what we want to fix

[Sho86]

I'd like NIN to get shadow clones somewhere in the 70-80 range, because it's been used multiple times by NPC ninja now, and learning about the fourth mudra required for it would be a logical next-step in NIN's progression (Though I wouldn't want it to be an actual skill , because I already get enough latency issues with three-mudra combos).

It could just be an upgrade to Duality if they wanted to keep button bloat low.

I don't play NIN/Rogue often at all, but didn't perfect dodge give a single effect of "utsusemi" before it was changed to a shield type? It was changed because of the ability to dodge mechanics otherwise unavoidable; so unless they worked around that problem I'm not sure it would make a comeback.

[KageTokage]

I don't play NIN/Rogue often at all, but didn't perfect dodge give a single effect of "utsusemi" before it was changed to a shield type? It was changed because of the ability to dodge mechanics otherwise unavoidable; so unless they worked around that problem I'm not sure it would make a comeback.

I was thinking it would work better as a DPS cooldown by just having your clones imitate a limited number of weaponskills like a fancier version of/replacement for Duality or making them imitate everything for a duration, but with greatly reduced damage.

I don't think anything like XI's Utsusemi would work with how much emphasis XIV puts on mechanics, because they'd need to specifically code every encounter with the ability in mind to make sure it can't be cheesed somehow.

[Sho86]

I was thinking it would work better as a DPS cooldown by just having your clones imitate a limited number of weaponskills like a fancier version of/replacement for Duality or making them imitate everything for a duration, but with greatly reduced damage.

I don't think anything like XI's Utsusemi would work with how much emphasis XIV puts on mechanics, because they'd need to specifically code every encounter with the ability in mind to make sure it can't be cheesed somehow.

Ah, I misinterpreted the 'shadow clones' bit, thinking akin to XI. I forgot the abilities used by the NPCs for awhile there lol. My apologies.

[Warkupo]

I don't play NIN/Rogue often at all, but didn't perfect dodge give a single effect of "utsusemi" before it was changed to a shield type? It was changed because of the ability to dodge mechanics otherwise unavoidable; so unless they worked around that problem I'm not sure it would make a comeback.

I just want to chime in real quick on why that was a stupid design choice and I hate it. The ninja dodging an insta-death mechanic the rest of the party could not just means the ninja is going to die a few seconds later. It took away something cool and thematic for entirely pointless reasons and I'm still salty about it.

[KageTokage]

I just want to chime in real quick on why that was a stupid design choice and I hate it. The ninja dodging an insta-death mechanic the rest of the party could not just means the ninja is going to die a few seconds later. It took away something cool and thematic for entirely pointless reasons and I'm still salty about it.

Unless they specifically coded them to ignore perfect dodge, you could cheese a ton of the mechanics in the current raids. IE, any stack marker that targets a NIN would be a non-issue, since they could just run off and dodge it without anyone else having to be in harm's way.

I would, however, like a lower cooldown on Shade Shift, because Manawall for BLMs is not only useful far more often due to the prevalence of magical damage vs. physical, it can be used more often, too. I don't really get why casters in general have lower CDs on their role skills compared to physical attackers, like Addle vs. Feint, either.