4.2 Palladin - more to play as dps than ever ? Why say it's tank then...

[BluexBird]

Like I said earlier, I am a Warrior, and I do like to pull. But if someone else wants to do it, I'm not going to sit there and talk about how that's not the "most optimal strategy", since I don't have a broom up my butt like most of the other people that seem to raid.

[Hruodig]

Like I said earlier, I am a Warrior, and I do like to pull. But if someone else wants to do it, I'm not going to sit there and talk about how that's not the "most optimal strategy", since I don't have a broom up my butt like most of the other people that seem to raid.

Silly me, caring about things like "playing well" and "dps".

[Galgarion]

Silly me, caring about things like "playing well" and "dps".

Expecting strangers to play as well as a static is a bit much, imo.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Silly me, caring about things like "playing well" and "dps".

Keep that advice coming, Hruodig. I enjoy tanking as much as I do healing and I'm starting to get that itch again. My tank of choice is paladin. Without your input, I would have never known that it was far better to off tank on the pull.

[Awful]

Like I said earlier, I am a Warrior, and I do like to pull. But if someone else wants to do it, I'm not going to sit there and talk about how that's not the "most optimal strategy", since I don't have a broom up my butt like most of the other people that seem to raid.

Warriors literally just need to pull in Defiance with Unchained, Equilibrium, switch stance + a Ninja and their burst DPS they gain more from pulling in a raid setting as Pld is punished the most by staying in shield oath and switching back, Drks have less control with emnity as they don't have the tools like War and without a Nin threat creep is quicker over time.

I used to be a Drk main and now i'm a War main and I don't grumble at all when I MT because War is really strong in either role but it excels especially in the beginning pull vs any other tank, hell you can even tank swap Shirk if you don't wanna MT and give all the threat to your co-tanker that's viable too.

[BluexBird]

Silly me, caring about things like "playing well" and "dps".

Right, because pulling with a Paladin or not will determine whether you end up with a 4.1k parse or a 3.5k parse..... OH WAIT NO, IT WON'T! It won't even show at the end of the run. lol Let alone be a factor in whether you hit enrage or not. In other words, it does - not - matter. It's got nothing to do with playing well.

Unless you're trying to argue that if a Paladin ends up pulling, they won't be able to make it to the top, you literally have no arguments left.

[BluexBird]

Warriors literally just need to pull in Defiance with Unchained

I know. I always pull whenever I can. But if you read the very first post in this thread, you'll see it's about a Paladin complaining that he never gets to tank. That people keep telling him it's not efficient, that it's "bad". I'm trying to say that none of this matters. That if he wants to tank, just let the Warrior know. I mean, it's not the end of the freakin' world if you have to miss a GCD changing into Sword Stance, OMG!

[Thela]

I know. I always pull whenever I can. But if you read the very first post in this thread, you'll see it's about a Paladin complaining that he never gets to tank. That people keep telling him it's not efficient, that it's "bad". I'm trying to say that none of this matters. That if he wants to tank, just let the Warrior know. I mean, it's not the end of the freakin' world if you have to miss a GCD changing into Sword Stance, OMG!

It's not just a GCD though, its several. You NEED to start out with a rage of halone combo if you pull as a PLD delaying your dps combos past the point where you get all the buffs from other jobs so when you do get around to them they are unbuffed and does less damage, so obviously it matters more than you give it credit for. That said, you are right, in the big picture it doesn't matter nearly as much as some ppl say it does.

[Aana]

It's not just a GCD though, its several. You NEED to start out with a rage of halone combo if you pull as a PLD delaying your dps combos past the point where you get all the buffs from other jobs so when you do get around to them they are unbuffed and does less damage, so obviously it matters more than you give it credit for. That said, you are right, in the big picture it doesn't matter nearly as much as some ppl say it does.

I believe the point is that in a 10 minute fight, 3 'suboptimal GCDs' (ROH combo), and 1 dead one (Changing back to sword), totaling 10 seconds out of 10 min are not going to have any dramatic impact on hitting enrage, or even your parse. The amount of potency lost for those 4 GCDs (which still do some damage mind you) as a % of the thousands and thousands of potency spit out during a 10 min fight is pretty insignificant.

Theres a lot of exaggeration on how 'bad' it is for a pld to pull. 1 small sup-optimal play is not going to tank your parse or impact your groups overall success by any noticeable margin.

Sure its better for the war to pull, but its a really small thing in the grand scheme. Theres a similar obsession with perfect 'openers'. Yes, these things are great to optimize, but most of your damage in a 10 minute fight is how well you maintain your rotation and maintain uptime. Who pulls is the cherry on top. But the vast majority of your performance is consistently maintaining uptime and your rotation for 10 minutes. Not what your 1st 10 seconds of a fight are.

[RLofOBFL]

I mathed it out a bit(unreliably) and its about a low 20-30 max dps loss throughout the fight for PLD. Not accounting for raid buffs, crits, or dhs.