The lack of actual playable content in 1.20 is a bummer. :( Discussion!

[Nero]

How can you say there is a lack of Content if you didnt even finished half of it? Just saying.

Of course there is way more Content coming, and in every Patch SE is adding more and more Stuff. I also miss some Stuff in this Game like Housing, Gardening, Largescale Battles, Alliance etc. But i never would say there is a lack of Content, its more like "wishfull thinking".

btw.. did you even touch the Stronghold Boss'? They are fun to fight and actually Content you are prolly looking for.

[Ronik]

How can you say there is a lack of Content if you didnt even finished half of it? Just saying.

Of course there is way more Content coming, and in every Patch SE is adding more and more Stuff. I also miss some Stuff in this Game like Housing, Gardening, Largescale Battles, Alliance etc. But i never would say there is a lack of Content, its more like "wishfull thinking".

btw.. did you even touch the Stronghold Boss'? They are fun to fight and actually Content you are prolly looking for.

Uhh, what do you mean I haven't touched half the content? I've killed Ifrit more times than I want to admit, I've levelled all the classes I want to level, I've maxed out my craft, and I've already double materia'd all my gear. I've done the strongholds, they're one day affairs for crappy gear that is strictly inferior to what I already have. There is no content left in the game for players like me.

Your post is disjointed and irrelevant to my discussion. There is a huge lack of endgame content in game for players right now. This is a fact. Patch 1.20 is only adding a single boss battle worth of content. This is also a fact. Combine the two, and we will have absolutely nothing to do for several months at this rate until 1.21 is completed and finished. The lack of game content is a reality, not an opinion (go compare to ANY other MMO and you will see that this game is sorely lacking).

[Nero]

Uhh, what do you mean I haven't touched half the content?

Content is actually every single Quest, every Fight, every NM, every Dungeon, every completation of Questline, Exping your Classes and so on. You are below 300 Achievements ( Which are actually telling which Content you did and which you dont ), the current Max is 704. So you didnt touched half of the existing Content.

I've killed Ifrit more times than I want to admit, I've levelled all the classes I want to level, I've maxed out my craft, and I've already double materia'd all my gear.

That is what i meant. Killing Ifrit isnt the only Content out there.. If you are just talking about Primal-fights, then i agree that we dont have much like that at the moment. But on the other Hand even Stronghold boss is worth a shot and actually challenging if you go with 1 Party and dont leach the Adds.

I've done the strongholds, they're one day affairs for crappy gear that is strictly inferior to what I already have. There is no content left in the game for players like me.

Going to first Chest doesnt mean you did Stronholds. You didnt beat the Boss, did you even try it? Did you get the Sentinal Pieces? And Siph. Turban? Those are actually the best Gear-pieces atm for the Classes you leveld. So i dont get how you can say "crappy Gear". Str+5 for hat? You cant put STR or DD-related Materia to headgear. Sentinal you can put Materia on and its far better than Cobalt.. so how is it crap?

Your post is disjointed and irrelevant to my discussion.

Read it again.

There is a huge lack of endgame content in game for players right now. This is a fact.

You DID NOT touch any Stronghold Boss neither did get Sentinal Gear, which is actually Endgame Content. Do your Homework please.

[Ronik]

Oh boy. Another rabid fanboy who refuses to believe anything is wrong with this game. Sigh, I guess I can't expect anything less from the official forums, eh?

Content is actually every single Quest, every Fight, every NM, every Dungeon, every completation of Questline, Exping your Classes and so on. You are below 300 Achievements ( Which are actually telling which Content you did and which you dont ), the current Max is 704. So you didnt touched half of the existing Content.

No, this does NOT count as engaging endgame content. The vast majority of quests are simple "fetch me this" or "kill 6 of this" which yield negligible gil rewards (and are a terrible investment of time even if you're doing them for exp). You are not meant to complete every quest line to hit max level. It is the developers job to ensure there are enough sidequests to do in order to reach the cap, and then a world of ENDGAME content devoted exclusively to max rank players.

Achievements ARE NOT content. Let me repeat that for emphasis: Achievements ARE not content. Content in FFXIV would be defined as a diverse amount of boss battles, dungeons, missions, places to explore, HNMs to hunt, possibly PVP (just throwing this in here since yoshi has mentioned it), acquiring of rare endgame materials for rare endgame gear, high difficulty/high challenge instanced events (ENMs, BCNMs, Dynamis etc). FFXIV currently has one primal battle and one endgame dungeon which rewards gear which is completely useless.

And yes, I have exp'd all the classes I want to exp and more. Repeating the grind for absolutely no reason other than to waste time does not qualify as fun, it does not qualify as content, and there is absolutely no way I would call it an engaging use of my time.

That is what i meant. Killing Ifrit isnt the only Content out there.. If you are just talking about Primal-fights, then i agree that we dont have much like that at the moment. But on the other Hand even Stronghold boss is worth a shot and actually challenging if you go with 1 Party and dont leach the Adds.

There are only THREE events currently in game which constitute endgame content. They are the Ifrit battle, Darkhold, and the Stronghold. Of these three, Ifrit is the only one which is worth doing at all, because the gear from the other two is completely useless. On top of that, the stronghold is basically grinding out extremely low % drop keys for a CHANCE at loot which is inferior to everything which is craftable.

There is literally no reason to do any of this "content", and even if there was, they is absolutely no difficulty involved in downing any of the stronghold bosses. Even if stronghold gear was best in slot (which, in almost every single case, it is not) it takes all of 5 minutes to reach a stronghold boss and then you sit there and kill it until you have what you want. Even in this fantasy scenario, the stronghold bosses do not constitute substantial content.

Going to first Chest doesnt mean you did Stronholds. You didnt beat the Boss, did you even try it? Did you get the Sentinal Pieces? And Siph. Turban? Those are actually the best Gear-pieces atm for the Classes you leveld. So i dont get how you can say "crappy Gear". Str+5 for hat? You cant put STR or DD-related Materia to headgear. Sentinal you can put Materia on and its far better than Cobalt.. so how is it crap?

I've been to multiple chests in every stronghold, thank you very much, and I have zero incentive to ever return. As a MRD tank, much of the sentinel gear is literally almost the exact same shit as the crafted red cobalt plate (minus one or two points of stun resistance) and I have no desire to try double materia'ing Sentinel gear for +1 stun resistance or an utterly useless +5 block when I already have top of the line crafted/slotted gear. The gear is crap (and by crap I mean 90% of it is entirely useless, and sentinel is the same as red cobalt at best), and you're just too asinine to see that.

You DID NOT touch any Stronghold Boss neither did get Sentinal Gear, which is actually Endgame Content. Do your Homework please.

If you think the stronghold bosses qualify as endgame content to keep us occupied for three months, I have nothing more to say to you. Take your fanboyism elsewhere - kindly gtfo. Oh, P.S., if you want to grind out 10-15 pieces of sentinel so I can blow them all up in an attempt to double materia them like my red cobalt just so I can have that +1 stun resistance, go right ahead bro.

[SnowMoonsong]

Long time reader, first time poster

One question, to all who bash the game constantly

If you don`t like it, or are bored playing it...why are you playing it?

Just my 2 cents

Back into the Light i go

[Ronik]

Long time reader, first time poster

One question, to all who bash the game constantly

If you don`t like it, or are bored playing it...why are you playing it?

Just my 2 cents

Back into the darkness i go

Well, as I said in my original post, this is not a bashing thread. Everyone who is here posting on forums obviously wants the game to do well, or else we wouldn't be spending our free time discussing it. That said, there is a legitimate lack of things to do for endgame players, and unfortunately this means that more and more endgame players will simply stop playing until the situation changes. I don't think anyone wants to see this.

Personally, in bringing this issue up, I'm hoping the developers can find a way to weave in some form of engaging endgame content alongside the major system/combat adjustments that are happening. It is unreasonable to ask them to create massive raids at the same time that they're trying their best to revamp the actual core game mechanics, but at the very least .. something to do other than ifrit/moogle would be very much appreciated.

Of course, that's only my reasoning. Hope that clarifies.

[Answa]

Well, as I said in my original post, this is not a bashing thread. Everyone who is here posting on forums obviously wants the game to do well, or else we wouldn't be spending our free time discussing it. That said, there is a legitimate lack of things to do for endgame players, and unfortunately this means that more and more endgame players will simply stop playing until the situation changes. I don't think anyone wants to see this.

Personally, in bringing this issue up, I'm hoping the developers can find a way to weave in some form of engaging endgame content alongside the major system/combat adjustments that are happening. It is unreasonable to ask them to create massive raids at the same time that they're trying their best to revamp the actual core game mechanics, but at the very least .. something to do other than ifrit/moogle would be very much appreciated.

Of course, that's only my reasoning. Hope that clarifies.

There's a moogle fight we know nothing of. There's going to be a learning curve for the new class adjustments. New craft recipes. But, certainly, this next patch is a lot about system fixes from what we know thus far. Though they have stated we're getting new quests. Maybe those will be content, somewhat? I dunno. I'm always busy ingame and I play pretty often if I'm not out and about irl. I did kind of hybernate from February till 1.18, though.

[SnowMoonsong]

Well, as I said in my original post, this is not a bashing thread. Everyone who is here posting on forums obviously wants the game to do well, or else we wouldn't be spending our free time discussing it. That said, there is a legitimate lack of things to do for endgame players, and unfortunately this means that more and more endgame players will simply stop playing until the situation changes. I don't think anyone wants to see this.

Personally, in bringing this issue up, I'm hoping the developers can find a way to weave in some form of engaging endgame content alongside the major system/combat adjustments that are happening. It is unreasonable to ask them to create massive raids at the same time that they're trying their best to revamp the actual core game mechanics, but at the very least .. something to do other than ifrit/moogle would be very much appreciated.

Of course, that's only my reasoning. Hope that clarifies.

well said, and agreed
.....Returns to the shadows.....

[Sanlord]

Oh boy. Another rabid fanboy who refuses to believe anything is wrong with this game. Sigh, I guess I can't expect anything less from the official forums, eh?



No, this does NOT count as engaging endgame content. The vast majority of quests are simple "fetch me this" or "kill 6 of this" which yield negligible gil rewards (and are a terrible investment of time even if you're doing them for exp). You are not meant to complete every quest line to hit max level. It is the developers job to ensure there are enough sidequests to do in order to reach the cap, and then a world of ENDGAME content devoted exclusively to max rank players.

Achievements ARE NOT content. Let me repeat that for emphasis: Achievements ARE not content. Content in FFXIV would be defined as a diverse amount of boss battles, dungeons, missions, places to explore, HNMs to hunt, possibly PVP (just throwing this in here since yoshi has mentioned it), acquiring of rare endgame materials for rare endgame gear, high difficulty/high challenge instanced events (ENMs, BCNMs, Dynamis etc). FFXIV currently has one primal battle and one endgame dungeon which rewards gear which is completely useless.

And yes, I have exp'd all the classes I want to exp and more. Repeating the grind for absolutely no reason other than to waste time does not qualify as fun, it does not qualify as content, and there is absolutely no way I would call it an engaging use of my time.




There are only THREE events currently in game which constitute endgame content. They are the Ifrit battle, Darkhold, and the Stronghold. Of these three, Ifrit is the only one which is worth doing at all, because the gear from the other two is completely useless. On top of that, the stronghold is basically grinding out extremely low % drop keys for a CHANCE at loot which is inferior to everything which is craftable.

There is literally no reason to do any of this "content", and even if there was, they is absolutely no difficulty involved in downing any of the stronghold bosses. Even if stronghold gear was best in slot (which, in almost every single case, it is not) it takes all of 5 minutes to reach a stronghold boss and then you sit there and kill it until you have what you want. Even in this fantasy scenario, the stronghold bosses do not constitute substantial content.




I've been to multiple chests in every stronghold, thank you very much, and I have zero incentive to ever return. As a MRD tank, much of the sentinel gear is literally almost the exact same shit as the crafted red cobalt plate (minus one or two points of stun resistance) and I have no desire to try double materia'ing Sentinel gear for +1 stun resistance or an utterly useless +5 block when I already have top of the line crafted/slotted gear. The gear is crap (and by crap I mean 90% of it is entirely useless, and sentinel is the same as red cobalt at best), and you're just too asinine to see that.




If you think the stronghold bosses qualify as endgame content to keep us occupied for three months, I have nothing more to say to you. Take your fanboyism elsewhere - kindly gtfo. Oh, P.S., if you want to grind out 10-15 pieces of sentinel so I can blow them all up in an attempt to double materia them like my red cobalt just so I can have that +1 stun resistance, go right ahead bro.

YOU'RE FAR TO BE HARDCORE LOL

Have you at least got all sub skills? answer: no! You're noob talking "nothing" in the official forums.

GLA 50
MRD 50
ARC 00 lol Where is your defense/attack buffs for Darkhold and Ifrit?
LNC 00 lol Where is your defense/attack buffs for Darkhold and Ifrit?
PGL 40 lol

CNJ 48 Oh he have cure III ; ;
THM 00 Do you even have Punishing Barbs, Contagion and Emulate!!! OMFG

I won't list alot more of skill that make THM essecial to have.

Stop hearing this guy he is nothing.

[Cale_Imrik]

YOU'RE FAR TO BE HARDCORE LOL

Have you at least got all sub skills? answer: no! You're noob talking "nothing" in the official forums.

GLA 50
MRD 50
ARC 00 lol Where is your defense/attack buffs for Darkhold and Ifrit?
LNC 00 lol Where is your defense/attack buffs for Darkhold and Ifrit?
PGL 40 lol

CNJ 48 Oh he have cure III ; ;
THM 00 Do you even have Punishing Barbs, Contagion and Emulate!!! OMFG

I won't list alot more of skill that make THM essecial to have.

Stop hearing this guy he is nothing.

Talking a lot of crap for a guy who killed Ifrit for the 1st time less than a week ago. I didn't read him saying he was hardcore, just that he wanted endgame, and wanted to use the classes he likes, which is fair enough.