Why don't we have a normal raid roulette Yet?

[Rita1989]

Because these raids are unforgiving far more so than the current raids in roulette while synced...form a party [Party Finder] and do them unsynched - they are still challenging to a point and most people will show up when a bonus is available to do so with. - Or do them synched if you want. good luck either way.

Uh we completely stomped the boss with sync down gear you destroy these bosses

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Coil would either have to be significantly nerfed or omitted from a Raid Roulette. Either way, I'd support the addition since a like a handful of these fights but never have a chance to do them.

[Fynlar]

Just because they had a higher degree of difficulty compared to more recent raids, they're still normal raids. Hard, yes, but they have normal mode and savage mode just like the other standard raids.

Let's be real here, 2nd coil savage is basically closer to what 2nd coil was like prior to being nerfed. It was an experimental challenge mode that doesn't even give rewards and doesn't even cover the entirety of coil.

Trying to compare "normal" coil to normal Alexander/Omega really just indicates you never actually played coil when it was relevant content, otherwise you'd know there is a clear difference.

[SannaR]

You can get up to T8 through the DF. I even know a person who managed to get to T9 through the DF. Yes both were with the nerfs to it. Yes you would be level synced but gear would be capped so you could still push through some phases. Some parts of coil unsynced are harder than synced due to how fast things change where you can end up with a mostly dead party just because people weren't expecting that many phase pushes. I would be all for a raid roulette. Even one with coil in it, except maybe T3. I think that one could be left out. Lets face it that's probably the most boring turn ever and not something you want to put 7 other people through. I plan on soloing it when i have my smn or a tank to 60.

I also swear khole is only giving gordias for WT which got me fairly quick clears, but now that i'm on midas i can be trying to get into that n other trials/raids and have nothing pop for most of the night so i stopped trying. Right now I'm sure it's harder to play the cath-up game.

[Kazrah]

Trying to compare "normal" coil to normal Alexander/Omega really just indicates you never actually played coil when it was relevant content, otherwise you'd know there is a clear difference.

You're right, I didn't. But at the end of the day, I see coil normal and coil savage on my DF list, and to me, neglecting that much from raid listings wouldn't make it adequate enough to be a roulette. Could rename it to "Alexander raid roulette" or even "60/70 raid roulette", but I just don't see it as a "normal raid roulette" without including every non-savage/ultimate 8-player raid, including coils.

Now that's certainly not to say they'd need to be added in without necessary adjustments to compensate for the average raid competency of a typical group found in any DF pug. And who knows, maybe people might actually learn some mechanics.

[Darrcyphfeid]

You can get up to T8 through the DF. I even know a person who managed to get to T9 through the DF.

I refuse to believe that, should 8-man Raids Roulette get added and should Coil be part of it, that people are going to manage to clear Turn 2 properly. Allagan Rot would destroy every single DF group, and cheesing enrage would require DPS and healers to be at least competent - which I'm also putting into the "I doubt it" category. And yes, that's assuming they're being synced down to i130. Heaven help any group that gets one or more first-time bonus people rocking i90 left side and whatever else.

In fact, it's probably easier to list the ones your standard DF roulette party might be able to clear: T1, T3, T4*. That's about it. The other ten fights would range from "this is probably hopeless but I'll give it a couple pulls" to "time for an instant 30 minute penalty."

* Maybe. Can see a lot of things going wrong with your standard DF-quality tanks and DPS.

[SannaR]

I refuse to believe that, should 8-man Raids Roulette get added and should Coil be part of it, that people are going to manage to clear Turn 2 properly. Allagan Rot would destroy every single DF group, and cheesing enrage would require DPS and healers to be at least competent - which I'm also putting into the "I doubt it" category.

I know for a fact one of the hosts from Limit break radio got a DF T8 clear. Also thanks for doubting my own accomplishments on a different character. Why would anyone in their mind do rot? Even max ilv for a synced group can dps past when rot would go off and thus skipping it. Even when Final coil was the latest raid you could do and you DFed 1st and up to T9 things there were enough people who knew how and were willing to teach. Heck I've even DFed enrage T2 with double sch. Many of my T8 DFs would get to Allagan field and then it would go to hell.

[Dualblade]

The answer to the Coil debate is obvious: Have TWO raid roulettes, one for Alex/Omega/future normal raids and a another one for Coil specifically.

[TaleraRistain]

I'd love a roulette for Alex and Omega. Coil would be trickier since you can't DF the NM of those quite as easily. I like the poster above with the idea of a separate coil roulette.

[Darrcyphfeid]

Also thanks for doubting my own accomplishments on a different character. ...Even when Final coil was the latest raid you could do and you DFed 1st and up to T9 things there were enough people who knew how and were willing to teach.

You're conflating the general idea of DF with roulettes, though, while choosing to omit the timing of/for your examples. I cleared T5 via DF shortly before HW released (started in 2.55, so was way behind on everything), for example, but that's because the people I wound up with were specifically looking to do that fight. And it still took several lockouts (read: hours) to get. There is no way in hell people queuing for a roulette and landing in anything besides T1 and T3 are going to have a good time/consistently clear. T2 and T4 are possible, but I very much doubt their viability given all of my experiences in DF over the last three years. Twintania and beyond are hopeless.