Plot migration and why the housing problem persists, SE please start listening.

[FallenArisen0990]

Yet-a-goddamn-gain. We LEAVE behind a house for YOU. What is so hard to understand about that? We move, and there is the exact same number of open plots. You move in, that's one less plot for another.

Let me put it this way: If private owners were blocked from relocating while FCs took their pick, no private owner would ever have a dream of owning a medium/large. I guarantee you that all the best spots would still be snatched up. The only difference is that you'd never have a chance to compete. You would still be angry.

Housing.

If they went with instance housing in the beginning, yeah it would've solved a lot of issues but that didn't happen. If anything, they shouldn't have had the need to add Apartments if they allowed us to customized our Inn Room. You're right tho, making FC Housing and Personal Housing the same was one of the biggest mistakes they ever did. I completely agree on that front. The Housing Limitation should've definitely been there since the beginning but alas, they didn't go this route.

All you guys make valid points but that doesn't change the fact that I don't agree with how anyone with a House, is allowed to snatch the plot they wanted from before. If anything, I'll be honest and say that I found the no restrictions much better than it is now (Minus the buying of only one Personal and one FC). I respect all your points but this feels more like a punishment to people couldn't get a house because of XYZ.

[Vidu]

If they went with instance housing in the beginning

...are you sure about that?
I thought so for a while aswell but this thread (and the stand of you and people with a similar mindset) made me doubt that a little bit by now.
You seem to have a very specific plot in mind that you want - probably for the view/surrondings aswell. Your dream plot.
...what if the instanced houses arent resmebling your dream plot? :O
Will you be back to ask for the instanced houses to all look like Shirogane-30? And will we see another person who'd prefer Shirogane-16?
(I will admit that they could release different "sets" there, but my point mainly is: people will always be unhappy... this thread is, again, a prime example going from "I just want a house!" to "eeek, I wont even consider a small one!" in just a few weeks... or at least thats my impression of housing-complains)

Instanced housing would probably fix a few issues. But the issue of "I wont settle for anything but my dream plot!" is something instanced housing cant fix either.
Relocating isnt robbing you of the chance to get a house. Its probably not even really robbing you have the chance to get the house you wanted - if someone hadnt relocated there, an FC would have probably bought that large/medium plot...

[Zojha]

But the issue of "I wont settle for anything but my dream plot!" is something instanced housing cant fix either.

Actually, that is again something "only" instanced housing really is capable of fixing, because instances can be changed a lot easier in their layout than the rest of the world. Landscape editing is something you generally don't want to allow people in public space as it affects others, but in an instance, you can (theoretically) allow people to build a death mountain to put their house on top, or a placid beach, or a lush jungle or somewhere underwater. With the right tools, you can simply make it your dream plot from a blank canvas.

For this game in particular, the only thing I'd consider realistic in that regard would be themed presets you can switch between from a menu outside, as the devs like to keep things on rails (in many regards). They could make this a new gil sink, tho - Releasing new presets ever so often that can be bought with gil.

[Vidu]

Actually, that is again something "only" instanced housing really is capable of fixing,

...you missed my point a bit - while yes, thats true and changing the "background" to suit your favoured view could (only) be fixed by instanced housing, my point was rather: People still wont be happy.
Yesterday I replied to a thread where someone spoke out against instanced housing because it would lose the neighboury-feel (that a lot of us dont seem to have in the first place though) and would be bad for RP...
So yeah, my point was rather: People will always find something to complain.
Maybe I'm just a bit burnt out on seeing all these threads spread out of the ground like mushrooms, repeating themself over and over again just because someone else now discovered that the housing system is less than optimal but didnt discover the 50 threads we already had on this issue.
Me being fed of and getting a bit snarky and cynic with this by now is obviously a personal problem and I'll probably refrain from further discussions like this - this isnt targetted against you, Zojha, this is just someone who had it with people acting all entitled but arent willing to put any effort in.
Housing was/is supposed to be a bit exclusive, prestige content - specially large and medium houses (I still wish, prices would reflect that again). And I bet that half of the people who are complaining now about not getting a large house will complain how its not special anymore once everyone can have one...

...sorry, personal rant over. I'll get back to decorating my mansion in the goblet that I got by relocating a smalle lavender bed plot. You may burn me for owning a mansion now. But since its not in Shirogane but in the less desirable goblet (for you btw, not for me - I got my dream plot, its just a dream that not many people share) you probably wont.

Browsing on Reddit, I saw someone actually make a suggestion I thought was pretty good:

—Make all plots upgradable to all sizes.

I think this could work well/better with instanced houses aswell!
You'd buy a basic house with something thats more or less only the entrance hall of a mansion - and then you can pay additional gil to add the cellar, the first floor, maybe a balcony (one can dream), a second floor, a little tower (you know the type they throw pricesses in to prevent them from marrying)... same with the garden: Pay extra to add a chocobo-stable at a fixed location (so you wouldnt have to add it as an item to the yard), hot springs, a little pond...

[Cylla]

I respect all your points but this feels more like a punishment to people couldn't get a house because of XYZ.

Whole system is a punishment to everyone. No matter what restrictions they put up, don't put up, etc it a punishment. Even people who have a house are still under punishment. Why? Because of Auto-demo. We're not allowed to take extended breaks from the game, we aren't allowed to have life happen. If life happens, oh well, goodbye to your house. Have something really bad happen to the point you can't even get on 35 days after your house has been demo, to bad, goodbye all your gil and housing items. Hope you didn't have money put into any housing items that were from the mogstation because that just went bye bye also.

Point is: the system a punishment because SE can't get their act together and do something right that is fair to everyone. Restrictions, restrictions, restrictions. All on a game we pay to play and should deserve the right to keep the things we worked hard for.

We're all a victim to this horrible housing system but again, if you aren't willing to settle for what you can get, I can't really feel sorry. A lot of us that relocated settled for what we could get our hands on. I think in a way we deserve it. Is it fair to you? No, of course not! It not fair to anyone, but that just how SE rolls. Do I agree with it? No, even if it did work in my favor this time.

I played the housing game and it taken me years to finally get what I wanted.


And @Vstarstruck - No, I know what you were saying and the reasons behind this stupidness, but what I'm saying is they need to just stop this bs and make the system fair for everyone. However, it not going to happen because it would take them actually having to up the resource and redoing the whole thing. We know that not going to happen. So this is how the system going to roll.