Plot migration and why the housing problem persists, SE please start listening.

[FallenArisen0990]

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Let's just be clear, the ability to relocate was just literally introduced one major patch ago. 4.2 no longer allows you to buy more than one house, meaning you are forced to use the relocation function.

I will still say that since someone already a house, they shouldn't be allow to relocate right off the back. That's not fair to those who don't own a house. People who don't have a house, should've been second in-line after the FC restrictions. Let's be clear that I'm not saying FCs shouldn't be allowed to relocate. I still feel that it should've been FC restrictions first and then no restrictions to all.

[Settiesama]

I will still say that since someone already a house, they shouldn't be allow to relocate right off the back. That's not fair to those who don't own a house. People who don't have a house, should've been second in-line after the FC restrictions.

We leave behind a plot when we relocate, THAT is why we are allowed to right off the bat. We gain a new plot and leave one behind FOR YOU. Sure it might not be the ideal plot of your dreams, but it's a house, you can use the functions of a house and later on, when new wards and all are opened, try again! At least you have a house already to fall back on if you don't get it that time either. You can argue all you want, but SE sees that much from our viewpoint too. We relocate to our dream plot, and you guys have the same number of plots to go towards.

And for the sake of it, even if we couldn't relocate, you wouldn't be able to get a medium or large either since FCs would of taken them all.

[FallenArisen0990]

Talks about house.

Ok I get this but you talk about moving to your dream plot at some point. How is that any different from in the past when everyone bone rush for their House. The only reason your way works, is cuz of the current restrictions. With that current restriction, anyone with a House, can still relocate freely. I can't do anything til SE removes the restriction. How does anyone with a Plot, have any more right to a Plot than someone without a House?

[Settiesama]

I can't do anything til SE removes the restriction.

You can buy a small and be happy you got a house? Happy that you have a foot in the door to relocate next time? Happier even that it should be even easier? We'd of been doing the same even if no restrictions were there, and if it was FC only, we again would of been ok since we had a house at least. You should be happy with what you can get, not shove what you're given in the dirt because you wanted more. We all have dreams for better, but we took what we could and got our foot in, even if we didn't know so much at the time.

How does anyone with a Plot, have any more right to a Plot than someone without a House?

Yet-a-goddamn-gain. We LEAVE behind a house for YOU. What is so hard to understand about that? We move, and there is the exact same number of open plots. You move in, that's one less plot for another.

[FallenArisen0990]

Yet-a-goddamn-gain. We LEAVE behind a house for YOU. What is so hard to understand about that? We move, and there is the exact same number of open plots. You move in, that's one less plot for another.

Let me put it this way: If private owners were blocked from relocating while FCs took their pick, no private owner would ever have a dream of owning a medium/large. I guarantee you that all the best spots would still be snatched up. The only difference is that you'd never have a chance to compete. You would still be angry.

Housing.

If they went with instance housing in the beginning, yeah it would've solved a lot of issues but that didn't happen. If anything, they shouldn't have had the need to add Apartments if they allowed us to customized our Inn Room. You're right tho, making FC Housing and Personal Housing the same was one of the biggest mistakes they ever did. I completely agree on that front. The Housing Limitation should've definitely been there since the beginning but alas, they didn't go this route.

All you guys make valid points but that doesn't change the fact that I don't agree with how anyone with a House, is allowed to snatch the plot they wanted from before. If anything, I'll be honest and say that I found the no restrictions much better than it is now (Minus the buying of only one Personal and one FC). I respect all your points but this feels more like a punishment to people couldn't get a house because of XYZ.

[Vidu]

If they went with instance housing in the beginning

...are you sure about that?
I thought so for a while aswell but this thread (and the stand of you and people with a similar mindset) made me doubt that a little bit by now.
You seem to have a very specific plot in mind that you want - probably for the view/surrondings aswell. Your dream plot.
...what if the instanced houses arent resmebling your dream plot? :O
Will you be back to ask for the instanced houses to all look like Shirogane-30? And will we see another person who'd prefer Shirogane-16?
(I will admit that they could release different "sets" there, but my point mainly is: people will always be unhappy... this thread is, again, a prime example going from "I just want a house!" to "eeek, I wont even consider a small one!" in just a few weeks... or at least thats my impression of housing-complains)

Instanced housing would probably fix a few issues. But the issue of "I wont settle for anything but my dream plot!" is something instanced housing cant fix either.
Relocating isnt robbing you of the chance to get a house. Its probably not even really robbing you have the chance to get the house you wanted - if someone hadnt relocated there, an FC would have probably bought that large/medium plot...

[Zojha]

But the issue of "I wont settle for anything but my dream plot!" is something instanced housing cant fix either.

Actually, that is again something "only" instanced housing really is capable of fixing, because instances can be changed a lot easier in their layout than the rest of the world. Landscape editing is something you generally don't want to allow people in public space as it affects others, but in an instance, you can (theoretically) allow people to build a death mountain to put their house on top, or a placid beach, or a lush jungle or somewhere underwater. With the right tools, you can simply make it your dream plot from a blank canvas.

For this game in particular, the only thing I'd consider realistic in that regard would be themed presets you can switch between from a menu outside, as the devs like to keep things on rails (in many regards). They could make this a new gil sink, tho - Releasing new presets ever so often that can be bought with gil.

[Cylla]

I respect all your points but this feels more like a punishment to people couldn't get a house because of XYZ.

Whole system is a punishment to everyone. No matter what restrictions they put up, don't put up, etc it a punishment. Even people who have a house are still under punishment. Why? Because of Auto-demo. We're not allowed to take extended breaks from the game, we aren't allowed to have life happen. If life happens, oh well, goodbye to your house. Have something really bad happen to the point you can't even get on 35 days after your house has been demo, to bad, goodbye all your gil and housing items. Hope you didn't have money put into any housing items that were from the mogstation because that just went bye bye also.

Point is: the system a punishment because SE can't get their act together and do something right that is fair to everyone. Restrictions, restrictions, restrictions. All on a game we pay to play and should deserve the right to keep the things we worked hard for.

We're all a victim to this horrible housing system but again, if you aren't willing to settle for what you can get, I can't really feel sorry. A lot of us that relocated settled for what we could get our hands on. I think in a way we deserve it. Is it fair to you? No, of course not! It not fair to anyone, but that just how SE rolls. Do I agree with it? No, even if it did work in my favor this time.

I played the housing game and it taken me years to finally get what I wanted.


And @Vstarstruck - No, I know what you were saying and the reasons behind this stupidness, but what I'm saying is they need to just stop this bs and make the system fair for everyone. However, it not going to happen because it would take them actually having to up the resource and redoing the whole thing. We know that not going to happen. So this is how the system going to roll.