I miss the old PvP.

[Crit]

It's not the skill gap. It is purely that it took all the fun out of it. 9 buttons is just boring... If I wanted to button mash, I could go back to up down up down left right left right BA select start. How would you feel to have PvE to reduced to 9 buttons? Toys are fun and SE stripped all the toys in the new 4.x mode. It is also insulting when people who never played 3.x chime in and say that 4.x is superior "Cuz videos".

Your opinion on the removal of fun is indisputable but you're also being ignorant and completely biased it's beyond irritating.

4.x is much more team based, more interactive, more thought process because of how much of a small skill ceiling there is. 3.x did indeed encourage the wrong mindset, the stigma of single handedly affecting matches by yourself, not as a team or unit like it's supposed to

[Zarkhov]

Basically Crit is saying it's more enjoyable moving around the map like a herd of pre-engineered cattle all programmed to do the same thing. So then, what's the point of joining? Hope you have less bots and win? To what end? Is it more enjoyable winning a round where you only need to button mash and focus kill targets with the other mindless drones? 111 5 3 111 5 3 111 . Oh that rotation just gets me so excited. Can't wait to do that all night match after match with no variation!

[Crit]

Yeah frontlines is ruined and hopeless, welp.

Try out feast, if you don't like it then play another game for PvP

[Zarkhov]

Yeah frontlines is ruined and hopeless, welp.

Try out feast, if you don't like it then play another game for PvP

No Crit, you're right I don't want to be biased. I'll just 111 5 3 all night long and pretend like it's the best thing ever like you do.

Edit: Also, i'll pretend like i'm the best at it.

[Crit]

That's the spirit champ!

[Commander_Justitia]

4.x is much more team based, more interactive, more thought process because of how much of a small skill ceiling there is. 3.x did indeed encourage the wrong mindset, the stigma of single handedly affecting matches by yourself, not as a team or unit like it's supposed to

Ye, pressing my buttons as fast as I can is such a complex strategy and so much thought process involved. With these changes they made it again way more casual friendly, which leads that even more of your "interactive, team based" gameplay objectives are just gone. Maybe the skillgap is smaller ye, but for the price that the gameplay is even more boring now.

They most likely won't drop the new map they worked on for a year or so, it has no retreat options, so respawn setting will stay the same.

I won't talk about how they can change the gameplay.
But for starters, they need to work on their PvP HUD as spectator in a custom match(on some resolution its way 2 big, you cant access layout menu in spectator at all) or in duty, the elements need to be resizable more. The jobicon templates have a transparent effect on them if the target is far away and are too small in the first place. They removed the medal icon for a medalcount number, it is not good to see for casuals what they should attack now. They don't know how many medals means they have a decreased dmg taken or increased dmg taken buff, you get that info only if you target the player, which is stupid because you want to know it without targeting and without doing math. Add the light medal/heavy medal buff icon to the name template aswell.

[Matsu-]

Could someone tell me what's fun in pvp? I'm quite new to the game, pvp especially, and I can't see more than one way of rotating my skills. Also why is the only CC I have a silence that doesn't even seem to do much anything. I have a total of 3 situational spells which all have long cooldowns. Why is it so dull?

[Wintersandman]

4.x is much more team based, more interactive, more thought process because of how much of a small skill ceiling there is. 3.x did indeed encourage the wrong mindset, the stigma of single handedly affecting matches by yourself, not as a team or unit like it's supposed to

You did not play 3.x and therefore you cannot accurately speak to whether it was team based or not.

[Crit]

You did not play 3.x and therefore you cannot accurately speak to whether it was team based or not.

It really wasn't

http://www.twitch.tv/therealcurtyb/v/79126915?sr=a&t=1s

[Wintersandman]

It really wasn't

http://www.twitch.tv/therealcurtyb/v/79126915?sr=a&t=1s

A. The PLD didn't cover the healer or protect them.
B. The MCH didn't One Shot the healer.
C. The PLD placed Full Swing on the MCH and didn't have any support.
D. The MNK didn't follow the PLD and the BRD was off on his own target.
E. The MCH was lucky with his crits.
F. The healer wasn't wearing any Vit accessories and set himself up for it.

So if anything you illustrated how a lack of team play allowed the MCH to burn down the healer. Which illustrates everything ThirdChild and I have been saying that any class was effective against any class.

Guess what. That strategy is all gone now.