Remove RNG from loot

[Azper]

When it's good, it's good.

When it's bad, it's bad.

We've all been outrolled countless times. You go back and try again. If you're getting frustrated, take a break to go do something else, or as someone else suggested: form a pre-made and it's over in a max of 8 runs.

[Darrcyphfeid]

Normal mode raid is a scam. I refused to grind it for Creator and Deltascape tiers, and will continue to refuse to run it now that we're on Sigmascape.

The gear is the same level as the crafted set, except worse because you can't overmeld it. In the time I spend waiting for queues and trying to out roll people - to say nothing of the weekly restriction - I could easily gather up and craft a couple of sets of gear.

I quit caring about the 24-man stuff too once they dumbed down secondaries/removed accuracy. No point bothering with it if you've been keeping up with Tomestones.

I don't have a problem with RNG, just with my perceived worthlessness of the gear in question.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Why do I need to burn 8+ hours of my playtime when someone else gets the same reward in 10 minutes?

This. This right here is why RNG systems exist. In those eight hours of playtime, how many total runs did you queue for? Had you gotten four pages ala Savage, would you have even looked at normal mode again?

The entire purpose behind RNG is to keep queues alive. SE already provides an alternative with crafted gear for those who don't want to deal with randomness. You're basically asking to have all the benefits but give back nothing.

[Krotoan]

Normal mode raid is a scam. ..

I suppose it's a scam if you don't actually enjoy the fights.
I get they can get repetitious, but you make it sound so joyless and joblike.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I suppose it's a scam if you don't actually enjoy the fights.
I get they can get repetitious, but you make it sound so joyless and joblike.

To be fair, once you've ran it twenty-something times without getting a drop it feels joblike.

[Darrcyphfeid]

I suppose it's a scam if you don't actually enjoy the fights.
I get they can get repetitious, but you make it sound so joyless and joblike.

To be fair when you're doing fights just for the random drop at the end, instead of for the love of the fight itself, everything goes that way. Even if you really love it.

I did the weekly lockout stuff during Midas because I was actively raiding. I actually liked the Midas tier fights... at first. That quickly sours when you're just in there to roll the dice, and your party wipes continuously to dumb things like A7's bombs, or letting the cat reach the boss, or basically anything in A8, etc. And we did Midas the first two or three weeks as a static too, but doing ~8 runs per floor sucks a ton of time away from, y'know, actually doing progression. So we stopped.

It really doesn't help my case that I only liked A11 and A12 from Creator, none of the fights in Deltascape, and novelty in O5 aside, none of the fights in Sigmascape either. Grinding on top of that would be devastating to whatever attachment I have with the game.

[Jijifli]

ThSE already provides an alternative with crafted gear for those who don't want to deal with randomness.

I mean to be fair the crafted gear is better than the sigmascape gear.

So RNG behind worse gear is kinda... weird.

[Krotoan]

To be fair, once you've ran it twenty-something times without getting a drop it feels joblike.

.. you ever played Monster Hunter?

To be fair ...

Wasn't 8 runs working towards progression? If that's your bread and butter why do anything else?
If you aren't having fun, why are you playing the game? If endgame progression is your "fun" then when it becomes tedium I'd say you're done for a while. Not that I want you to leave this game or I'm saying "lol uninstall then". I've taken several breaks myself when things died down for me. RNG is a cheap way of keeping people in the game, but the alternative is people running their 8 times and then done. Or we can have some other BS gating scheme put in like weekly caps which people also hate.

[Melichoir]

I'm sick of having to run gord/midas/alex/delta/sigma 50 times just to get one piece of loot. The pure RNG paired with low drop rates (1-2 useful items per run) is just frustrating and infuriating. Why do I need to burn 8+ hours of my playtime when someone else gets the same reward in 10 minutes?
Make it the same as savage, or up the drop rate on high demand items (*cough* bolts *cough).

Welcome to MMOs, where RNG is how they pad out play time and keep you invested. Seriously though, this is kind of old news. If you could get things easily without grinding or what not, no one would be playing. Granted you can get really bad RNG, but its just part of the game.

[Avatre]

We've all been outrolled countless times. You go back and try again. If you're getting frustrated, take a break to go do something else, or as someone else suggested: form a pre-made and it's over in a max of 8 runs.

The worst ones are when you're on your 15th run of the day, and roll a 95-98...only to lose the damn Sophia bird whistle to someone who is running it for the very first time.