so whens Alphinaud gonna die or sent offscreen for a long time?

[Dortharl]

Hating on Alphinaud has pretty much become a meme at this point. All the people hating on him are just jumping on the bandwagon and don't understand how Storytelling and character development work.


They aren't going to replace or kill off the character that's been with us from the beginning and is the driving force for the story, get real.

Just FYI this is incredibly condescending and a little insulting, minimalising the views of others just because they don't agree with you is not an effective way of proving your point. I have a firm grasp on storytelling and character development, I simply do not like the character I know he drives a portion of the story and he is key component of the narrative but I would prefer another character to take his place, I find his arrogance particularly grating.

[basketofseals]

I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion, she could be pretty delusional but that's very different to being tempered.

I reached that conclusion by being told that explicitly by a very old and wise character.

To follow that up, when you're asked about your opinion on the tempered and say you wish to give them a chance, your party member also name drops Ysayle and compares them.

[Selova]

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You can take it however you want to honestly. It's just getting rather old hearing all the over-dramatic hate for his character. I personally find it more insulting that people are constantly demanding the death/removal of one of my favorite characters. To each their own.

[FallenArisen0990]

Alphinaud was annoying as hell back in 2.XX days. 3.XX and up, he's grown up so much that I like having him around. I just hate when he teases me with his "Taste the Rainbow" Carbuncles.

Only other traveling buddy I would want, is Yugiri. You don't how stoked I was when me and her went on a Assassination Mission at night.

[Dortharl]

You can take it however you want to honestly. It's just getting rather old hearing all the over-dramatic hate for his character. I personally find it more insulting that people are constantly demanding the death/removal of one of my favorite characters. To each their own.

Given you views it's surprising that you choose to open a thread with this title then, since it's bound to full of things you choose to find insulting.

[Kyuuen]

This might be derailing, but as a male who has a twin sister irl, Alphinaud and Alisae looking exactly alike bothers the hell out of me. Male/female twins don't look like that.

Not entirely true. While it maybe true in your case, but there are plenty of instances where male/female twins do look alike.

OT

I'm sorry, but if people are claiming that Alphinauld does not have character development then they don't know what character development is or have not been paying attention to the story.

[Jandor]

I reached that conclusion by being told that explicitly by a very old and wise character.

To follow that up, when you're asked about your opinion on the tempered and say you wish to give them a chance, your party member also name drops Ysayle and compares them.

Hraesvelgr calls her delusional and says that the Shiva she's created is not the actual Shiva. He doesn't say she's tempered herself.

[Rasikko]

This might be derailing, but as a male who has a twin sister irl, Alphinaud and Alisae looking exactly alike bothers the hell out of me. Male/female twins don't look like that.

They are a different type of twins than you and your sister. They are identical types and you two are fraternal.

[Dortharl]

They are a different type of twins than you and your sister. They are identical types and you two are fraternal.

You cannot have identical twins of different genders on earth, but it's eorzea so maybe it's possible there.

[sarehptar]

"Everyone can come except for the mind controlled minions of a demi-god that would slowly suck the planet dry," seems perfectly reasonable to me, the tempered cannot be trusted. We learn that by level 20.

Except... I mean, the reason Beast Tribes summon primals in the first place is because they feel like they have no control over their fates, are not being represented or listened to fairly, and are being threatened by the governments of other people, so deliberately excluding them would mean actively perpetuating the mindset that produced said primals and tempered tribes in the first place... Like, Lyse's entire point in that situation was that she wants to break that specific cycle in order to create genuine peace, not just "peace for some people."

As for Alphinaud (speaking in general here, not to the person I quoted above), I can't help but feel that some people are just kind of tone deaf? Alphinaud went through major character development with the failure of the Crystal Braves, spent the beginning of Heavensward essentially blue-screening, rededicated himself to the cause, came to idealize a totally different type of role model (Estinien), and moved on from a Minfillia-esque non-combat character to someone who is willing to jump into the fray with us, even if it's clear it's not his primary talent. Not sure how you miss that kind of on-screen growth except by just not reading any of his lines at all because you're already predisposed against him.

More than that, his "arrogance" has been the butt of so many jokes up to this point that it's obviously not meant to be taken remotely seriously. He's an extremely sheltered rich kid who came straight from a famous high-class magic school into the real world and keeps getting harsh doses of reality everywhere he goes. Even the recent escapades with spending money in Kugane aren't meant to imply that he's careless, but that he genuinely doesn't know how things work outside his little bubble of the upper-class. If you can't tell the difference between a jerkass character who is arrogant by choice and a character who's arrogant because he just hasn't had to deal with real-life hardships yet, I don't know what to tell you, man.

I mean, let's be real; people just hate him to have some character to hate. Especially now that Minfillia's gone, there's got to be someone as the target of the players' ire. If Alphinaud was removed from the plot, the hate would just jump to the next character down the line.