4.2 changes

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

For old system, yes,it would be fine at 4.0 but will be out of control at 5.0 with stats and number of actions increased. Been there and done there in WoW and Blizzard has proven they have no control over such system after 5.0. They tried many ideas but all failed miserably. Why would SE follow this path of no return?

That statement was a satire of the person I qouted. Elsewhere, I've spoken at length about this though. For any who may have been worried that we'd have too many buttons, first, we never had too many. Second, the removal/reworking of lesser used skills that was highlighted as a major design focus for Stormblood already addressed this, and we have no more than we did in Heavensward. We have arguably less. Stats were removed, but when they did matter, item level syncing handled issues of variances, and it was never a problem unless coming in below the minimum. And third, this 9 button standard - ironically implemented at a time where SE set out to make jobs feel different - has not proven "less is more". In this case, less is less: less skilled, less depth, and less fun.

[Divinemights]

. And third, this 9 button standard - ironically implemented at a time where SE set out to make jobs feel different - has not proven "less is more". In this case, less is less: less skilled, less depth, and less fun.

I am not really talking about number of buttons. It is about PvE and PvP abilities and actions need to be separate. There is no developers have the ability to balance old system that mix bag PvP/PvE. The conflict of interest is too great for two sides and PvP side will always lose since FF14 nevertheless is still a PvE based mmorpg.

The new system, whether you like it or not; it did successfully remove the significant skill gap. I understand the frustration of veteran players felt when this "privilege" got taken away from them. but it is simply no company will reverse back to old system just because of a small portion of community do not like the changes

[Wintersandman]

small portion of community do not like the changes

smaller portion likes the changes.

[Synestra]

no company will reverse back to old system

Yeah and i doubt they could do this even if they wanted because when you give something to players its really hard to take it away, knowing that i will live by my own mantra(adapt or die)and i chose the death. I might do a one roulette now and then but that's pretty much all i can stomach, tried to do leveling in there but stopped that as well as i simply cannot do more than few matches before getting really bored(not to mention it really screws your muscle memory when it comes to pve).

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

no company will reverse back to old system just because of a small portion of community do not like the changes

3.0 BRD > 4.0 BRD

And if gutting jobs and force fitting them into lesser versions of themselves (and this is AFTER already reducing/removing skills) was meant to close the skill gap, that was a colossal failure. You don't have to be a good healer to heal well if your potencies are higher and cast/recast is shorter than the rest. Melees without cc are at a huge loss right now, and tanks are just weak melee with high HP and cc. And despite this, anything that originally made a skilled player good, still makes them better than most, just with 9 buttons to do it with now.

And let's PLEASE stop using the tired, flawed logic that "FF14 is a PvE-based game". It wasn't a housing or glamours game at first either and yet those are prevalent features of the game as well now. The 3.x system had skills - from the start - that were perfect and very effective in PvP, far more than what we have now. Call it fluke or foresight, but many of those "useless" skills in PvE reigned supreme in PvP. Can't just be a coincidence.