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  1. #131
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    Ogun_Riastradh's Avatar
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    Ogun Riastradh
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoloKraft View Post
    ... FCs had a full week to buy all of the land up that was being relinquished where individuals didn't. ...
    Wards were only expanded today, not at patch. And they clearly said that when they were going to open, plots were going to be only available for existing owner relocation and new FC purchases. Individual purchases will be available at a later time that is not yet determined.
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    Last edited by Ogun_Riastradh; 02-07-2018 at 11:33 AM.

  2. #132
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    Penthea's Avatar
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    Nettle Creidne
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    Moogle
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    Quote Originally Posted by NessaWyvern View Post
    I'm not trying to delegitimize FC rights, I'm just saying that all players should have access to housing equally. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    And pointing out that many of these FC houses were bought just so people could sell them later.
    Well below you failed to acknowledge that a huge amount of legit fcs benefited from the new system. You said the people who really benefited are house flippers and made zero mention of any other kind of buyer.

    Quote Originally Posted by NessaWyvern View Post
    Welp, there are now new PFs up with a bunch of people saying "selling FCs with house" now, so who really benefited from this? People who only made FCs to sell houses for profit.
    I get why everyone wants their own house, but if you want SE to pity individual players then QQing on behalf of someone who already has access to a private house probably isn't the most convincing route. The real victims here are individuals with zero access to housing, and fcs whose potential plots were bought up by the likes of that awful group on Ragnarok. Not your husband.
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    Last edited by Penthea; 02-07-2018 at 11:41 AM.

  3. #133
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    The problem is the last time this happened, 80% of all plots went to individuals. So the sliding scale was massively in favor of individuals. This time it was FCs, who factually have more to gain for buying a house. That's just fact, regardless of your opinion.

    The opening of more housing to give one to everyone isn't a reality in FFXIV, so where's the line?
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    Last edited by ArmachiA; 02-07-2018 at 11:47 AM.

  4. #134
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by NessaWyvern View Post
    that many of these FC houses were bought just so people could sell them later.
    Not on my server. Cactuar has never really had a big house-flipping market from what I’ve gathered in the 2+ years I’ve been on this server. In the Lavender Beds, most of the new Larges went to FCs, not individuals (though there were some that relocated to Larges, but that was bound to happen anyways unless they blocked personal relocation to Larges outright), and all the mediums in the Beds just recently sold—and I’m talking in the last hour or so, it seems. A lot of FCs have seemed to benefit from this housing, and not in the form of flipping them for profit. So please try not to make sweeping generalizations like this one.
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  5. #135
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    NessaWyvern's Avatar
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    Nessa Goddessly
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    I had a quick look,and there's FC 33 houses in the mist with 4 players or less (I can fit 4 players in my private house). Around 8 of them only had 1 member. A few of them were in the new wards. So, why should these people have priority over individuals? They are just individuals using the FC system to get their houses, to by-pass the restrictions up.
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    Last edited by NessaWyvern; 02-07-2018 at 11:53 AM.

  6. #136
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    Acilith's Avatar
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    Alexandre Hanrieaux
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    Maybe those individuals would actually rather play solo in their own fc, than be in an fc with a lot of other people. Social anxiety is a thing that exists. Now I'm not saying they're definitely not flippers, because I'm sure there are some. But there are some folks out there that just want to keep to themselves.
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  7. #137
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    Rymmrael Bhaldraelwyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by NessaWyvern View Post
    I had a quick look,and there's FC 33 houses in the mist with 4 players or less (I can fit 4 players in my private house). Around 8 of them only had 1 member. A few of them were in the new wards. So, why should these people have priority over individuals? They are just individuals using the FC system to get their houses, to by-pass the restrictions up.
    And they are in the wrong for doing so circumventing the system. But single person FCs or FCs who bought to flip do not negate the benefit that legitimate FCs got from the new policy.
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  9. #138
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    Quinn Kira
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    System should have went to FCs for the first week and then personal the next week.

    People have been able to upgrade their personal houses locking many FCs out of the chance of even getting a house. SMH

    SE messed it up again.
    Upgrading a personal house doesn't lock an FC out of getting a house at all. If someone relocates, a free plot is left behind, there is still the same amount of free plots as before the relocation.
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  10. #139
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    Hessa Adn
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    I still do not understand how they made it possible for the owners who already have houses to move, change smaller ones for more, choose a new place, while those who do not have nothing, and sit with nothing. Also manually process the process for the individual. I also think that they acted dishonestly.
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  11. #140
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    TaranTatsuuchi's Avatar
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    Aryn Tatsuuchi
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    Balmung
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ruf View Post
    Mistakes or not & you claiming its fc only doesnt change it, it moved beyond that to come back to this? & also no matter what I/we dont want that, locking housing to fc only is just lame for a Final Fantasy game. Without pointing fingers, the good ff name is looking bad at times nowaday. specially when you see screenshots of ppl hording whole wards like on ragnarok & what not.
    Upon implementation, the housing ward system was for FCs only.

    Personal housing was promised to be a seperate system, and cheaper than FC housing.
    Kind of like how apartments are now.

    But instead of developing the seperate system, they let individual players purchase FC houses.
    And that decision has shaped the housing system into what it is now, controversy and all.

    Had the apartment system been introduced way back then, we would have had years of iteration on the apartments and wards.
    And we would likely be in a better place.
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