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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    All the games past NES are overrated. Just like nowadays Elder Scrolls is vastly overrated. I'll be surprised if it doesn't turn around for Bethesda as it has for SE. It's just easier to make up excuses for SE due to the merge.

    FF games weren't focused on providing a balanced game experience which is absolutely crucial for an MMORPG. Only in XII and XIII did they start caring about balance instead of letting people break the game in the most random ways like before. In a way it is exactly like the Elder Scrolls is today. So bad game design that it is hard not to make your character OP and one shot everything. Thats a good way to completely ruin your MMO where it suddenly matters whether you can abuse the game mechanics or not.
    I could repeat the thing about FF III and XI but the fact that you brought XIII as an example of good game design sort of makes discussing about this pointless.

    To me XIII is hardly even a game and I wouldn't even call it's gameplay bad because I personally felt like there wasn't any gameplay to experience in it.

    XII was also mostly about walking around and watching the characters grind by themselves....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    All the games past NES are overrated.
    Where's the dislike button when we need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seif View Post
    To me XIII is hardly even a game and I wouldn't even call it's gameplay bad because I personally felt like there wasn't any gameplay to experience in it.
    Actually this is what makes discussing about it pointless. Haters gonna hate, nothing but subjectiveness about it.

    Even at it's worst XIII's gameplay was at least on par with any mainline title before it (press X to win, change from offense to defense once in a while). Except in XIII you couldn't break the game (as easily) nor did any playstyle become worthless as the game progressed, nor did the game become easier. The small flaws (no blood damage, leader dies=game over) are fixed in the successor as well.

    XII was also mostly about walking around and watching the characters grind by themselves....
    You still had to press X for cool shit to happen. How is this different from any FF before it? It's not. This time it was only more balanced and not as easily breakable. Something that MMO's require to function.

    Where's the dislike button when we need it.
    You just singlehandedly justified the lack of a dislike button. All it does is make people abuse their opinions that are nothing but subjective bias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon View Post
    I Coulda sworn Crystal Tools is UE3, and this new engine is a modified Crystal Tools, that will be made solely for MMOs. (Maybe i remember this wrong.)
    My understanding is that the PS3 version will be using the Luminous Engine while the PC will use and engine designed for it that will include some aspects of the Luminous Engine. Could have read it wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    You just singlehandedly justified the lack of a dislike button. All it does is make people abuse their opinions that are nothing but subjective bias.
    Someone not agreeing with someone else and showing it would be an "abuse"? How? Heck, how is that even different from someone "abusing the like option"? All opnions are nothing but subjective bias, including yours.

    Not that I'd really care about a dislike button, anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    Actually this is what makes discussing about it pointless. Haters gonna hate, nothing but subjectiveness about it.

    Even at it's worst XIII's gameplay was at least on par with any mainline title before it (press X to win, change from offense to defense once in a while). Except in XIII you couldn't break the game (as easily) nor did any playstyle become worthless as the game progressed, nor did the game become easier. The small flaws (no blood damage, leader dies=game over) are fixed in the successor as well.



    You still had to press X for cool shit to happen. How is this different from any FF before it? It's not. This time it was only more balanced and not as easily breakable. Something that MMO's require to function.



    You just singlehandedly justified the lack of a dislike button. All it does is make people abuse their opinions that are nothing but subjective bias.
    i'm one of the biggest FF fans you will ever find. (and i'm male, so you can call me a fanboy). but i have to agree with Seif on FF13, that was not a game, that was a dvd with minor user interaction, i disagree about FF12 its true with the gambit system you could set the game up to play its self almost, but you didn't have to set it up like that, and like most FF games (other than 13) there was alot to do other than the main story.

    i plan on getting 13-2 it looks alot better than 13, only time will tell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rizon View Post
    My understanding is that the PS3 version will be using the Luminous Engine while the PC will use and engine designed for it that will include some aspects of the Luminous Engine. Could have read it wrong.
    PC and PS3 will not use either Luminous or Crystal tools engines. It will use the "FFXIV" engine which is made just for this game. What Yoshi said is that programers and engineers from Luminous ported over some of the lighting code so, parts of the "FFXIV engine" came from that.

    Luminous and Crystal tools are engines built around the idea of rendering near static scenes in high detail which a camera travels through. Games where predetermined amounts of action take place on screen, like FFXIII excel on this type of engine.

    The FFXIV engine will favor more dynamic amounts of on screen action allowing players to interact in high population/ high density PC/NPC areas. However the trade off for displaying more onscreen dynamic action is the near static environments won't be as detailed or HQ.

    You can see from the Ver 2.0 screen shot that the game still looks very detailed when up close, so maybe things like draw distance or over all character/environmental model poly-count will be lower.
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    Hasn't the core changed already? I mean auto attack, change of abilities, addition of job system.

    It's either me or this dude is just stupid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdvancedWind View Post
    Someone not agreeing with someone else and showing it would be an "abuse"? How?
    All you do is press the dislike button. You don't justify your stance in any way. You don't even come out and straight up tell me you disagree. How can you have a proper argument in an environment like this? It no longer matters what is said, but whether it is in the line with the majority's opinion. It doesn't have to be true, or right, and worst of all, justified. You can simply dislike the "bad" opinions and like the "good opinions", anonymously.

    Why this sort of behaviour should be embraced is beyond me. It is as lazy as it gets and breeds ignorance.

    All opnions are nothing but subjective bias, including yours.
    Yes, opinions tend to be like that. That's why people debate, so that it would be actually possible to figure out what is true and what is not true. It also involves presenting reasonable points and even facts if they exist to back up said opinion.

    Not everything is a matter of opinion. You can look at things objectively or at least present a reasonable argument, but that won't happen when you can just press the anonymous "YOU R RONG" button and be done with it.

    The arguments should speak for themselves, not some artificial number count.

    i'm one of the biggest FF fans you will ever find.
    The biggest FF fans are usually the least likely to look at the entries in the franchise objectively. XIII was a better game than any before it could ever hope to be. Sadly that is hardly a relevant point to make for this franchise.
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    Can you guys please stop fighting about petty bullshit and discuss about the interview?
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