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  1. #51
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    Kabooa's Avatar
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    Jace Ossura
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising View Post
    Is BiS the be all end all? No, it isn't game breaking for a tank to not reach their best in slot gear. Is it ideal for the game to have one job having to put in way more time than the other to reach that? No, it is really demotivating to know that, and yes that is a problem. You might find it disingenuous to suggest that only 1 job needs to spend millions of gil to reach their best gear, while the other two jobs will get theirs for free from running content the same content, but hey opinions right?
    I guess. I imagine the amount of pentamelded tanks running about doesn't greatly exceed the amount of pentamelded healers or DPS running about at the start of any given tier patch but that requires data I dont' have access to.

    In the meantime: Selling fending accessories, best price on the market! Comes pre-pentamelded! Save yourself the stress!
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  2. #52
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    Kreyd's Avatar
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    Kreyd Lerival
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    Shiva
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    I dont't get why the Str on the tank acc is so low that you can pentameld it, while the Str on the left side is exactly the same as a dd item. Move some str from the left side to the right side and just cap it. If Tanks are supposed to do like...I dunno...70% the dps of a dd, why don't their items have like 70-80% of the strenght a dd item has, without the possibility to meld str?
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  3. #53
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    Aana Azel
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    Exodus
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    Lancer Lv 50
    No matter how you slice it, tank best gear is bought and melded. No other jobs best gear is. Upgraded raid and tome gear is supposed to be the best by SEs admission. 20 ills of gear should be an upgrade but it isn't. This only applies to tanks. That's flatly not fair no matter how you slice it.
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  4. #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aana View Post
    No matter how you slice it, tank best gear is bought and melded. No other jobs best gear is. Upgraded raid and tome gear is supposed to be the best by SEs admission. 20 ills of gear should be an upgrade but it isn't. This only applies to tanks. That's flatly not fair no matter how you slice it.
    Seeking clarification is the crafted gear better due to the higher DPS return per item?
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  5. #55
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    Gulvioir Muruc
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    Seeking clarification is the crafted gear better due to the higher DPS return per item?
    Only the right hand side pieces. The 370 left hand side pieces are usually better than any alternative.
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  6. #56
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising View Post
    Only the right hand side pieces. The 370 left hand side pieces are usually better than any alternative.
    So reason people are asking me to buy crafted right side is solely for the DPS gains? RIP why is SE trying so hard to fight the DPS meta.
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  7. #57
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    Raganfrid Vsakj
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    Cactuar
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    So reason people are asking me to buy crafted right side is solely for the DPS gains? RIP why is SE trying so hard to fight the DPS meta.
    To be absolutely frank, it isn't necessary for you to buy the right side for DPS gains or clearing purposes.

    I wouldn't hassle with it if you're not trying to min/max.

    It's expensive and almost not worth the effort.

    Furthermore, you must remember that on your accessories for tanks you have a lack of STR, which means you'll be melding STR every time, shorting you out of other necessary stats. That is a huge shortcoming thanks to SE. They need to fix that.

    If you choose to meld your right side with 350 ACC, it's because you want to manipulate stats and utilize something favorable to your build. It also frees up your rolls in progression towards other things you may need/want.

    In gist, if you're not trying to min/max then just get regular accessories.
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  8. #58
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    Thela Ivora
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    Phoenix
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    So reason people are asking me to buy crafted right side is solely for the DPS gains? RIP why is SE trying so hard to fight the DPS meta.
    The differences are:
    370 accessory: 1 additional strength, 18 additional vitality, 11 additional 1st secondary stat, 7 additional 2nd secondary stat
    350 pentameded: 76 secondary stats to put where you want.

    So subtracting the 11 & 7 additional secondary stats from the 370 you get 58 secondary stats vs 1 strength and 18 vitality. Clearly 58 secondary stats are worth more than 18 vitality and 1 strength, though the differences are minor.
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  9. #59
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    Ari Dyones
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    Zodiark
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by iridemyunicorneverynight View Post
    To be absolutely frank, it isn't necessary for you to buy the right side for DPS gains or clearing purposes.

    I wouldn't hassle with it if you're not trying to min/max.

    It's expensive and almost not worth the effort.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thela View Post
    Clearly 58 secondary stats are worth more than 18 vitality and 1 strength, though the differences are minor.
    Basiclly this, if you aren't one of 1-5% of people trying to maximize their damage, pentamelded accessories aren't worth the gil and effort.

    From my own experience, I can tell that the difference in non-crafted accessories vs pentamelded ones is even less than 5% damage PLUS the fact that party buffs are inevitable to even notice their full effect.

    In 4.1, on my first char (pentamelded BiS) I did ~4300 DPS as WAR with potions + bufffood in O1s. On my second char without any crafted accessories, no bufffood nor potions ~4100 DPS on a 'failed'/'not optimized' speed kill.

    In conclusion, even with potions, a 'successful' speed kill AND pentamelded accessories, my first char might have beaten my second char by not even 5%. Take away all buffs, such as potions, and the difference might be 1 or 2% at max.

    If you have 5+ mil gil to spare, sure go for pentamelded ACC. If not, don't bother with it!
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  10. #60
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    Saint_Angeles's Avatar
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    Rana Kim
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 70
    Why are you complaining about being able to buy\craft BiS day 1 of a patch.
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