I don't know what to make of this.

[BillyKaplan]

Both sides were in the wrong. It's easy to read what you said as condescending, OP, and he was being just rude. A lot of groups don't want things explained and if that's a majority, you let them wipe a couple of times before explaining. ESPECIALLY on day 1 of a patch, figuring things out with my parties was a nice experience I don't often get to have, I have no idea how you spent 14 years and never once had people tell you not to explain the fight. It's really not that uncommon.
To go out of their way into your tells and get on your case for that comment though wasn't any better of them. And you might have a case for reporting a combo of harassment and 3rd party use on top of that.

[Ruinfeild]

To be fair, I have no idea what MMO's you are playing where you are claiming that giving advice and helping people was the norm if you done it already rather than letting people learn it on their own (more or less for straight up new content that comes out). I also been playing MMO's since 2004 and I have a vastly difference experience where at least for the first week or unless someone asked, you let people figure it out.

[Alestorm]

ME and a buddy got our first run/kill on Kefka tonight and was in a full party of first timers. Even as we figured things out we would call it out in /p chat. Only issue we had with the party was healers more interested in DPSing when people needed healing. I'm fine with healers doing damage, but please throw a heal every now and again. I usually try to help with damage when I can if I'm playing WHM, otherwise I'm healing.

[MoroMurasaki]

I don't think there is anything wrong with offering advice no matter when in the patch cycle you are. I think the situation got out of hand when the other players in OP's party reacted negatively to the offer.

Did OP need the kinda condescending closing remark? No, byt salt often begets salt so I don't think those other players should expect anything but rudeness if they respond to an offer of explaination with something impolite.

I don't think the time in the patch cycle matters because of how and when this advice were offered. The fight was over. Anyone who didn't want to hear what the OP had to say could just leave or if they're waiting on loot swap to a log that didn't include party chat. No harm, no fowl. If OP had gone into the fight and pre-clear began spouting off spoilers then we would be having a different conversation.

As to the random tells... If that is copy/pasted then that person is clearly trash. Ignore them. You're right OP, it reads like they're on some kind of drugs or something. Not worth your time.

[Solarianna]

Alright, this thread has actually been insightful for me.
But on the other hand, I feel this took a direction that wasn't my original intent. This turned into a discussion about how people prefer to engage content, when I originally wanted to vent about people being averse to help to the extent of being inflammatory.

I also was misunderstood, from what I can gather.
People are perceiving me as an elitist, hardcore raider who wants everything done and farmed now, and will make you walk the plank if you don't obey.

When in reality, I don't even raid (my will to follow raid schedules died alongside my will to play WoW), I stay the hell away from Savage content, and spend more time helping people in their roulettes and crafting for them than anything else.

People are perceiving me as a hardcore but, as a player, I lean way more towards casual.

But the message was mine to pass, and if people misunderstood me I've noone to blame but myself for being a poor messenger.

With that being said, there's a lot to take from this thread. For me, specifically. I didn't know that what I perceive as lending people a hand was so widely perceived as being pushy. Obviously, it still doesn't excuse the other person's behaviour in the least. If you communicate that way, and impose upon others with that tone and pseudo-superiority, you're a narcisist, regardless of which opinion you're trying to defend.
But my opinion has, over time, apparently become a minority, and I was oblivious to it.
The gaming principles in MMORPGs have moved away from "let's compromise to be able to help each other" to more of a "don't screw my game, and I won't ruin yours". Now, we can argue until the cows come home about if this change is ethically sustainable or not, and if it stems from the modern society's average person's bigger aversion to build commitment towards others, and we can also write endless poetry about how people are becoming more "me first, if the others don't like it, move away or deal with it".
This is obviously an endless fountain of societal issues and discussions that are not pertinent to a gaming forum. And that wasn't the original intention for the thread either.

Ethics aside: I've learned that the random people I get on groups, don't want anything of me bar "hello" and "bye", the odd meme/joke, and that I don't compromise the success of the content at hand.

So, from now on, I quite simply, will shut up and leave people to their own. I won't bring any more interaction with me than a squadron NPC with a couple of greetings.
I can talk all I want about how sad I am that helping people has somehow become a bad thing, but in the end, I'm me, and not them.

If at some point I feel I'm held hostage to someone's attitude or stubbornness (I mean attitude, not game skill, I need to make this clear. Wipes don't scare nor phase me as long as people's hearts are in the right place), I'll quite simply try to vote the person off. If the problem isn't solved, then I'll eat the 30 minutes penalty myself.

This was quite a reality check. Not happy in the least about what I learned. But my original intent has always been helping others. Causing them distress, is not helping, and therefore, strays away from what I wanted to do.

Thank you everyone for your time.

[Fawkes]

To be fair, I have no idea what MMO's you are playing where you are claiming that giving advice and helping people was the norm if you done it already rather than letting people learn it on their own (more or less for straight up new content that comes out). I also been playing MMO's since 2004 and I have a vastly difference experience where at least for the first week or unless someone asked, you let people figure it out.

In this MMO people explaining things if there was a new person was 100% the norm for the first few years. People made macros to explain Ozma.

[Rokke]

But my opinion has, over time, apparently become a minority, and I was oblivious to it.
The gaming principles in MMORPGs have moved away from "let's compromise to be able to help each other" to more of a "don't screw my game, and I won't ruin yours". Now, we can argue until the cows come home about if this change is ethically sustainable or not, and if it stems from the modern society's average person's bigger aversion to build commitment towards others, and we can also write endless poetry about how people are becoming more "me first, if the others don't like it, move away or deal with it"

This is obviously an endless fountain of societal issues and discussions that are not pertinent to a gaming forum. And that wasn't the original intention for the thread either.

Ethics aside: I've learned that the random people I get on groups, don't want anything of me bar "hello" and "bye", the odd meme/joke, and that I don't compromise the success of the content at hand.

So, from now on, I quite simply, will shut up and leave people to their own. I won't bring any more interaction with me than a squadron NPC with a couple of greetings.
I can talk all I want about how sad I am that helping people has somehow become a bad thing, but in the end, I'm me, and not them.

See, now I really wonder if you posted the full "story". The other person had a crap attitude, but yours isn't much better lmao

[SeriousxSarcasm]

See, now I really wonder if you posted the full "story". The other person had a crap attitude, but yours isn't much better lmao

... I was wondering that myself. Where does anyone in this thread display the attitude she says she saw here? All I see are people trying to correct the perception that wanting fresh content when it is actually fresh shouldn't be criticized, but everyone agrees that poor behavior is not forgivable.

[BillyKaplan]

I didn't know that what I perceive as lending people a hand was so widely perceived as being pushy.

You found out what a lot of us Mentors learn pretty quickly into doing Mentor roulettes. Wanting a run to go smoothly instead of going through a learning curve you're already past and passing that experience along is considered rude and condescending. How dare you want them to know what they're doing.
Which is why it's better to always just ask first and if they want explanations later, they can't complain you didn't provide it since you did ask and they said no or just stayed quiet
There's really no need to take it to the extreme you described in the rest of your post o/ Just because the world isn't what you thought it was doesn't mean you need to be quite that jaded.

[Kakiko]

@Kakiko
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Sharing input isn't unwelcome. You offered to share info and it was declined (politely or not isn't really the issue here) and frankly should have just left well enough alone. I am fairly confident that had you left without that comment about being in MMOs since 2004 etc, you wouldn't have received the tells (which again, were also wrong in my opinion). Of course, you can always say in future "I've done this before and cleared, would anyone like some pointers?" and if the answer is no (regardless of politeness from the party), I would say okay and leave it at that. You offered, it was declined, no need to push the issue.

The rest of your posts here though definitely strike me as coming from someone who can't really put themselves in another's shoes. From comments about disagreeing with Rokke's comment about people not wanting fights explained the day after patch, to arguing with winsock's opinion that offering information about mechanics causing a wipe (again a day after patch!) is akin to someone standing over your shoulder telling you the answers to a crossword puzzle. Even just giving ONE answer to a puzzle you're enjoying figuring out could spoil the whole thing and cause a domino effect of solving it all in one go.

Again though, offering help is not what I think the issue here was, it was the comment made before leaving. Definitely continue to offer help as you will for sure meet groups who will want it, just try to understand that not everyone does.

Also, please understand: The other person was 100% in the wrong for those tells as well. Absolutely absurd and rude. Two wrongs don't make a right.