I don't know what to make of this.

[Solarianna]

@Lilseph

Amidst all the salt I totally forgot that thread existed. Having read some of it, no less. My apologies. Won't post this there, since it'd be alike spam to have the same thing in two different places, but I'll make sure I remember next time.

@Rokke

While I personally disagree, I respect your input. But regardless of opinion, it was the person's attitude that brought me here, not his/her opinion.

@Kazrah

While I do get where that theory comes from, I personally have a hard time agreeing with it. Maybe it's a sign of the times changing. I absolutely hate to be the "back in my day" guy (especially given I'm not that old), but MMORPGs originally had much more semblance to survival gameplay than now. The mentality I've been used to (and agreed with) is a mentality in which every bit of help is welcome, and information must be shared. This is the first time I've come face to face with someone who legitimately says "screw your help, because here's my achievements, you suck, and stfu and don't spoil my fight". The concept of "spoiling fights" wasn't even a thing back then.
Refusing simple pointers about mechanics, in order to safeguard one's immerson (which in my opinion, is debatable, because handing out simple pointers about AoEs and question marks, is not the same thing as spoiling a fight. Unless I shove a youtube video down someone's throat), is something that would not fly, as it would be perceived as compromising the experience of the group as a whole, for the sake of a whim. When in a group, I believe that I have the responsibility not to value myself over nor under the other players. Group first, personal whims after. Which is why, after a wipe, instead of flaming everyone because "noobs" I usually offer to explain, if I can, what needs doing. I don't expect thanks, but getting belittled and insulted for trying to help... I must admit, it was a first.

With that being said, salt aside, didn't even consider reporting the guy. I'm used to the Internet, I don't report people easily. He wasn't that offensive. Just absurdly narcisistic, self-righteous, and owner of a rather aggravating way of communicating.

@winsock

I believe you're comparing two different things. Offering short informations about the mechanics at hand after a wipe, to help people know what happened, is far from spoiling the whole thing. If one wipes, someone offers their help, and said person refuses it just for the sake of protecting some sort of immersion, then I believe that person is completely disregarding the fact that the other members are his/her equals. It equals saying " This is gonna take however long it takes ME, so deal with it or get out".
And I don't expect everything cleared on first day. If I did, I wouldn't have offered what little I knew. I'd have either flamed the person (which is something many people complain about in this forum, no less), or left because "lol you actually wiped once, you're all bad, bye". I used to raid back when I played WoW, and my guild would wipe dozens of times before every new kill. Wiping and progressing is perfectly fine for me. Holding the group hostage by refusing little bits of help/direction, all for the sake of protecting immersion, on the other hand, isn't.

But this is an opinion. Apparently a heavily outdated one, since times change, and so did gaming. But if the person I quoted had presented his/hers as politely as you did, I wouldn't have started this thread.

@AppleJinx

I understand what you're suggesting, but I am incapable of going that route. When in a group, I value everyone's time as much as mine. If there are means for me to better the group as whole, I can't help myself but do them as far as humanly possible.

@Andevom

As I mentioned before, sign of times, I guess. I may indeed be stuck living in another age.
Oh, and I did become more hostile, I know, don't need to be afraid to say it. The people I know in-game know me for being someone rather understanding and patient of others, that never ever gets full-toxic, but I'm no saint. If someone pushes the wrong buttons, I never aggressively offend and call names, but my nice tone vanishes. If I'm unhappy with someone, I won't hide it.

@Hugowulf

Venting. No more and no less.

[Emstidor]

I think a lot of people in this thread are taking issue with this part of your reply

Me to him/her: you're the first I've seen in YEARS with that mentality
>> you're basically saying you know you could do better, but don't want to

His response was inappropriately rude, but his original point that some people like the thrill of venturing into the unknown and figuring things out on their own is very understandable and judging by the thread a lot more common than you realize.

Assuming you run this content weekly for the drop/weapon piece, you're gonna have a long time where it's okay to expect runs where everyone immediately knows what to do and there's no uncertainty, so holding off the first week to preserve that "first run" experience for those who care about it isn't gonna kill you.

[SeriousxSarcasm]

My personal preference/experience with this sorta thing:

Tbh it's why I rush through raids and dungeon day one of patch. I wish I didn't have to. I'd like to take my time and enjoy it a bit more. There's a little thrill being confronted with a new mechanic that no one knows how to handle yet. But I know within a day or two there's gonna be some "helpful soul" in every party that makes a point to tell us everything in the beginning (but lets be honest, they just want a smoother run for themselves). I have never said anything to people that do it, I just make sure to be off work on patch day so I can run it all in the first 12 hours.

I make it a personal policy to not explain anything the 1st week lol. If they couldn't be bothered to run it before then, they can get their own friends/FC together to do their blind runs.

Also I couldn't be sure by your original post, but if it's normal mode none of them are actually hard enough that someone with basic competence can't figure it out in time.

And yes, without a way to distinguish tone, I can see how the things you said came across as overly-aggressive to them. The /tell harassment was out of order though. You really should reconsider reporting them, I'm sure more sensitive souls would thank you later. It's one thing disagreeing with someone's dungeon/raid etiquette, it's another to go out of their way to be intentionally antagonistic.