Housing exposes a fundamental flaw in institutionalized ethics.

[Mahrze]

They bought most of those houses in the space of a few weeks right when transfers were announced. Don't exaggerate lol.

Iirc, they took a while to do that. But this is not an issue when they've made it easy to level as the expansions come and houising requirements are rather easy at this point.

Considering you seriously used the word snowflakes, however, that shows about how much value there is in debating anything with you.

How is countering a fallacy with another fallacy helping in any matter? So the bes recourse is a fallacy-ception? The real issue is that SE didn't plan things through with housing, and now Housing is going to be a much bigger "social" and "ethical" issue to some. Since like Flash replies to you, those who are granfathered now can just upgrade to the biggest and best option and the rest can fight for scraps.

First come, First served.

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Is it solely your fault? No. It's not. It's actually mostly Square's. I think anybody can see that. But yes, I do think people who own multiple houses are selfish. People who flip houses are worse. (Also, please don't try to pin "oh you're from Balmung" on me; what idiots do on my server is regrettable, but doesn't speak anything about me.) By the way, nobody cares if someone magnanimously allows someone else to use their house for events and RP because it's not theirs. And again, I have to stress that I have a house. I literally don't have a horse in this race anymore. I just think it takes some serious mental gymnastics to think that this somehow isn't being selfish. What's the point of owning multiple houses? To have more spaces to decorate? For RP? As someone who both loves decorating in this game and RP, I think that's a pretty weak reason.

So, bottom line, you disagree because under your "ethical" view its selfish and any reason outside of that is wrong? Huh, interesting.

[Flashgordon1975]

Your world view is not shared by everyone. You talk about selfishness without knowing me or others in the community. I donate 20+ hours a week to coaching and my community, what do you do? Does the RP'er who slows down a dungeon and not break character become selfish because they ruin other players experiences?

What I do know is that I paid extra to have additional toons on my world. Why do you suspect I and others would do that? Could it be that we wanted completely separate characters? Do you think that SE did not foresee that some of these players would also obtain housing? Blame SE for the issues. Blame the few flippers that profit off the scarcity of housing. Do not blame or demonize people that legitimately bought their house(s) when there were no issues. There was no outcry 8 months ago, people like you want to retroactively label people as greedy, immoral and selfish slime bags.

To answer your question on what is the point of having multiple houses? Yes some people really like to decorate AND be part of an MMO, that is why they pay their sub. Just because you are a certain way does not mean others are the same. There is no mental gymnastics involved, i paid extra so I also had the ability to get another house. Please walk through a more affluent neighborhood and tell all the people with bigger houses than you that they are greedy and selfish, the same logic applies. Let's see how that works out for you.

[Enlial]

I'm probably repeating myself, but why on earth are we even entertaining a discussion on right and wrong and ethics? If player A owns 5 houses, and player B cant find a plot to purchase, whose fault is it? It's SEs fault for not adding more damn wards. And why shouldn't they? Every single one of us is a paying customer, do you really believe it takes 5 subscriptions to support the data requirements of 1 plot of land? First of all, no it doesnt, because its 2018 and thats crap, and even if it did, then they should have fixed that as soon as they realized it was a problem.

Here's an analogy. Say you go to an all you can eat buffet for a meal, only to find the serving trays are all empty. The manager tells you "sorry, those fat guys over there ate all the food", then charges you anyways. Sure, at this point fair enough hating on those fat people. But then you go back the next day, and the day after and the day after, for about 3 years, and every day, its the same story. At some point, you have to question why they don't just serve more food. Reality is that they don't because it would cost them more, and because you've been coming back day after day and accepting their lame excuses.

[Elamys]

There was an "outcry" 8 months ago. People have been mad about people owning multiple houses for a while. This is nothing new. And let's not use the real world dynamics of real estate to apply to the overly simplistic system we have in place here in FFXIV.

Regardless of the case as it was in the past, SE apparently agrees that people should only own one house, at least as of now that they've seen how things have gone. They have merely said that there were issues preventing them from taking houses back from multiple owners. We do not know if this will change.

[Flashgordon1975]

There was an "outcry" 8 months ago. People have been mad about people owning multiple houses for a while. This is nothing new. And let's not use the real world dynamics of real estate to apply to the overly simplistic system we have in place here in FFXIV.

Regardless of the case as it was in the past, SE apparently agrees that people should only own one house, at least as of now that they've seen how things have gone. They have merely said that there were issues preventing them from taking houses back from multiple owners. We do not know if this will change.

Don't use real life dynamics? You are the people that brought up real life morals and standards people should be held to. Does this mean that all this talk of morality and selfishness is then invalidated because it is a video game. You can't have it one way and then say the person you are speaking with can't use the same logic.

Enlial is correct. Blame SE, not the people that work within the parameters of the game rules. I also emphasize the word game.

[LaylaTsarra]

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I think they made themselves pretty clear.

[Elamys]

I think they made themselves pretty clear.

Yes, I saw that (and commented immediately after that). In the Live Letter, they stated that existing housing would not be lost due to "issues on their end" so it's seemingly not because they agree with people owning multiple houses.

[LaylaTsarra]

so it's seemingly not because they agree with people owning multiple houses.

That statement is very clear. There is no ambiguity about it. The fact that it doesn't satisfy you is irrelevant.

[MizArai]

Regardless of the case as it was in the past, SE apparently agrees that people should only own one house, at least as of now that they've seen how things have gone. They have merely said that there were issues preventing them from taking houses back from multiple owners. We do not know if this will change.

Just because they changed their policy on housing doesn't mean they agree that people should only own one home. It just means they've realized that they can't support more than one home with the current housing system. Especially with how huge the gap is between active players and FCs versus the number of houses in game. And you can just keep holding your breath on them taking houses back from multiple owners. There aren't enough to make a difference with a very few exceptions and it definitely wouldn't be worth the resources put into making it happen.

[Elamys]

That statement is very clear. There is no ambiguity about it. The fact that it doesn't satisfy you is irrelevant.

The statement in the live letter was also very clear. I don't know what you want out of this.