Housing exposes a fundamental flaw in institutionalized ethics.

[Dragonrage53]

The problem with using ethics in any argument is that there's a million viewpoints. However, that hopefully leads to honest debate and more solutions than problems. A few issues are gardening, decorators, RP'ers, flippers... all with a limited supply. There's a lot to address with housing and this move feels like a stop gap measure to placate the protests and buy time till they come out with what hopefully is a genuine improvement.

The ethics part of this is basically saying you can only buy and live in homes/apartments in the state of New York as its borders are now for the whole population of the USA. Look at it like that and owning more that the 1/1 limit dosen't make any sense for anyone besides the house hoarders/flippers. Yes it sucks to restrain yourself while facing a shortage situation, but when you allow more people to enjoy the good stuff everyone benefits in the end.

[illgot]

I didn't say owning a house was wrong. I saw owning two houses is wrong.

owning 2 houses is completely with in the rules.

How about we expand the ethical rules and say anyone owning a private house while FCs are looking for a house is ethically wrong. I mean, "ethically" shouldn't you put the group ahead of yourself considering you can not access airships and subs in a private house?

So Jack, is your house an unethical private house owned by a selfish individual refusing to give up their house to an FC in need?

You're not worried about ethics or even fixing the problem, you are more interested in stirring up drama for entertainment.

[TaleraRistain]

Why is it not unethical to own a personal house before all FCs on the server have been put into housing? Players who fulfilled certain requirements could purchase a personal house under SE's rules. But they knew that there were FCs out there and in the future that might use that house. Why were they not being selfish and greedy? When you keep changing the bar of what's "ethical" or not, then it turns into a slippery slope where no one should be allowed to ever buy any luxury item in this game because we're taking it out of another person's hands.

[Flashgordon1975]

I didn't say owning a house was wrong. I saw owning two houses is wrong.

According to you.

I find it funny how your world view of how things work is what is ethical. You discount those that RP and actually pay extra to have that ability through a higher subscription. They are in fact separate characters in the eyes of SE, just look at the mogstation items that go to a specific character. Why shouldn't that extend to housing then? How is a person that pays for the service unethical then? There are so many holes in your logic that it sinks immediately. You should just stop trolling immediately and admit that you are just salty.

[Elamys]

They are in fact separate characters in the eyes of SE, just look at the mogstation items that go to a specific character. Why shouldn't that extend to housing then?

Considering SE JUST changed it to be 1 personal and 1 FC per account per world, obviously they think it shouldn't extend to housing. I really don't think they intended for people to make multiple characters to bypass that limit and probably didn't realize how many people would buy multiple houses.

[MizArai]

Considering SE JUST changed it to be 1 personal and 1 FC per account per world, obviously they think it shouldn't extend to housing. I really don't think they intended for people to make multiple characters to bypass that limit and probably didn't realize how many people would buy multiple houses.

Considering you can do everything except have all the specialties on one character and that (unlike most MMOs I've played) they have an option for 1 character per server that you pay for, I think it would be more likely that they didn't consider that people would play multiple characters. Locking houses behind level 50 and GC rank (before boost books) meant quite a bit of time would be spent on a character before it could buy a house.

[Flashgordon1975]

I doubt it was because of people legitimately playing an alt. Remember what they say about squeaky wheels and oil? The hyperbole in these housing threads is indicative of our society now. Two people on Mateus own a ward through house hunting over the course of a year+ has turned into lots of people doing it. The sensationalism and sense of entitlement in these threads is hilarious.

I own a personal house on one character and I own a medium and small on another that is a completely different character. I had no interest in upgrading until I saw these dumb threads, now I am going to upgrade to larges for the character that owns two. Just to spite you snowflakes.

[Elamys]

I doubt it was because of people legitimately playing an alt. Remember what they say about squeaky wheels and oil? The hyperbole in these housing threads is indicative of our society now. Two people on Mateus own a ward through house hunting over the course of a year+ has turned into lots of people doing it. The sensationalism and sense of entitlement in these threads is hilarious.

I own a personal house on one character and I own a medium and small on another that is a completely different character. I had no interest in upgrading until I saw these dumb threads, now I am going to upgrade to larges for the character that owns two. Just to spite you snowflakes.

They bought most of those houses in the space of a few weeks right when transfers were announced. Don't exaggerate lol. Considering you seriously used the word snowflakes, however, that shows about how much value there is in debating anything with you.

[Flashgordon1975]

They bought most of those houses in the space of a few weeks right when transfers were announced. Don't exaggerate lol. Considering you seriously used the word snowflakes, however, that shows about how much value there is in debating anything with you.

You really have no clue what you are talking about. This was over the course of a year+ and they let others use those spaces for events.

Just because your server is overcrowded does not mean that the same issues were faced by all other servers. The real reason that there is so much outcry is because housing demolitions stopped which stopped the small turnover that did occur and people being on over populated servers (which is a choice). Then there were transfers to smaller and medium sized population servers, these refugees snapped up the available housing. Now the people that had multiple house on these worlds, which I might add are the majority of worlds are being demonized for nothing that they did wrong. When I got my houses there were tons available for purchase. I did not flip houses and if you look on the reddit forums for house sellers there are a few servers that do it constantly (yours comes to mind). So ya I get tired of hearing about how bad of a person I am for playing the game as intended. Do I feel bad for people that don't have a house, sure. Is it my fault they do not have a house? Absolutely not, how were we supposed to know there would be starving refugees coming from Gilgamesh and Balmung?

So yes, you are a snowflake. Go argue ethics and greed about stuff that has some sort of basis in fact. Not because it is something that inconveniences you.

[Elamys]

Is it my fault they do not have a house? Absolutely not, how were we supposed to know there would be starving refugees coming from Gilgamesh and Balmung?

So yes, you are a snowflake. Go argue ethics and greed about stuff that has some sort of basis in fact. Not because it is something that inconveniences you.

The moment anyone who already had multiple homes purchased more houses AFTER servers began to fill (like your favorite pair!) negates anything previously said about how "we didn't know there would be transfers coming! My server was dead!" And again, you ignore new players who never had a chance.

Is it solely your fault? No. It's not. It's actually mostly Square's. I think anybody can see that. But yes, I do think people who own multiple houses are selfish. People who flip houses are worse. (Also, please don't try to pin "oh you're from Balmung" on me; what idiots do on my server is regrettable, but doesn't speak anything about me.) By the way, nobody cares if someone magnanimously allows someone else to use their house for events and RP because it's not theirs. And again, I have to stress that I have a house. I literally don't have a horse in this race anymore. I just think it takes some serious mental gymnastics to think that this somehow isn't being selfish. What's the point of owning multiple houses? To have more spaces to decorate? For RP? As someone who both loves decorating in this game and RP, I think that's a pretty weak reason.