The problem with healing

[Tridus]

That is one thing I dislike WHM: They're treated as some sort of priest

They really did go hog wild on this lately and it doesn't fit the lore that well, since nearly every White Mage is a Padjal, not a priest.

Or, at least, have the WHM quests and new skills to be more in line with what's going on. His quests don't touch on the war of the magi (that was battled by White Mages) or the fact that White Magic (and Black Magic) is pretty much outlawed on Eorzea, just purify, purify and purify some more.

White Magic isn't illegal. The rulers of Gridania are White Mages. The Elementals of the Twelveswood just decide who is allowed to be one and that's usually Padjal (and us, because we're special). Black Magic is kinda sorta illegal but you can see how well that's enforced in the BLM job quests.

And I saw no integration with the fact WoL being healer on MSQ. He hasn't even try to heal someone who dies in front of him. He hasn't even tried to raise Haurchefant.

This bugged the hell out of me. There's so many of them where people are running around dying and need a healer and the WoL just stands there like a chump, right after using LB3 and bringing up an entire raid team from the brink of death! It was nice when they acknowedged that healers do exist in Stormblood's MSQ. The dichotomy between death and "death" is an RPG staple though, that isn't going anywhere.

So I ask every healer here. Please! Post your ideas. Post your complaints. Post anything and everything that will get SE's attention and let them know that we need something more the next expansion other than thematic repeat of white mage!

I'm definitley concerned about a thematic repeat of White Mage, given what we saw in job quests in Stormblood. But I'm more concerned about a mechanical repeat. As it stands right now, how would they make another healer that doesn't play the same as what we already have except with a different coat of paint? That doesn't really help anybody.

If they can come up with something new mechanically and they want to give that a bit of an edge? Okay, sure. But it's probably Dancer, and I don't see that as particularly grimdark. Not to mention that all the shared healing gear is shared, and I don't think they want White Mages to look like Black Mages.

[Aurturia]

Idk about you all but my scholar is a mercenary medic and master of poisons

[Elamys]

This bugged the hell out of me. There's so many of them where people are running around dying and need a healer and the WoL just stands there like a chump, right after using LB3 and bringing up an entire raid team from the brink of death! It was nice when they acknowedged that healers do exist in Stormblood's MSQ.

To be fair, they can't acknowledge healers too often because everyone has to have the same ultimate outcome regardless of their choices for story cohesion. If I healed Haurchefant, that would be a huge problem lol.

I do think it's hard to have an "edgy" or "grimdark" healer because purification, protection, it's what healers do, and it's hard to pair the mending and soothing of hurts with someone who doesn't really care about others.

[Risvertasashi]

I do think it's hard to have an "edgy" or "grimdark" healer because purification, protection, it's what healers do, and it's hard to pair the mending and soothing of hurts with someone who doesn't really care about others.

There are numerous examples of how to do it in other games. Yeah it wouldn't really fit in the existing healer questlines but it could fit in a new one. It also doesn't have to be flat out "I'm evil and want to burn the world down" either -- this game's Dark Knight is a good example of how something can be done grimdark-ish, but with more of 'outlaw with a code of justice' type leanings.

[VanilleFang]

Your title is a bit misleading... You have an issue with the aesthetics and implied personality of healers, rather than an issue with healing itself.

I personally don't really care, as long as the job works as intended and is fun and interesting to play than it can be whatever.

[Gemina]

There are numerous examples of how to do it in other games. Yeah it wouldn't really fit in the existing healer questlines but it could fit in a new one. It also doesn't have to be flat out "I'm evil and want to burn the world down" either -- this game's Dark Knight is a good example of how something can be done grimdark-ish, but with more of 'outlaw with a code of justice' type leanings.

Yes, but it is also in a Dark Knight's nature to kill. It's a little easier to paint a job as an anti-hero when they seek blood justice. Healers in the typical FF lore, especially WHMs are not violent in nature. However, many have been adventurous; seeking thrills to take them away from their strict disciplines.

I don't feel that SCHs and ASTs share the tree-hugging mentality/theme of WHMs. They may not bring a necromancer type edginess to the healer role, but they are each certainly unique in terms of questlines, attire, lore, and mentality. SCH and AST even bring unique mechanics with their fairy and cards respectively.

I'm not saying the game has no place for an edgy healer. Some of the healing sets out there are far from looking like it was made in the clouds, and are very dark. I really like the idea of this type of dark healer taking HP and buffs from their enemies and transferring it to themselves and their comrades, along with a similar concept when they cleanse debuffs (take from party member and give it to the mob).

[Tlamila]

About armors: I don't know, 99% of the time we get the very same amor looks as caster dpsers, except white instead of black/red/grey/blue/etc. Since dyes are a thing I literally see no difference between say a white mage and a black mage in outfits. And for the AF ones, come on, are you telling me Black Mages have scary outfits? Only if you're scared of clowns. And Astrologist dress is actually pretty badass and also black, instead.

About not aknowledging us in the story: I agree with who said the WoL has to fit every class, so it wouldn't make sense for most. There's one time though in which Krile tells us "You're a healer, no? Then get healing all these people!!" or something, which kinda shocked me as it was the only time ever.

Now for a more dark healer, I'm all for it, but it needs to make sense in the game. That class would need to have a reason to be a healer too, which is not so easy with such a trait.

And I agree with who said the title is totally misleading.

[Trunks]

They really jumped the shark with the butterfly stick, the pink dress af armor (though it still beat Grandma's Nightgown from HW), and the Divine Benison / Plenary Indulgence additions. I mean, I'm fine with the black/white thematics, and I'm not one to advocate for heteronormative gender roles. But I am weary of being told I'm a pretty princess.

[Dualgunner]

They really jumped the shark with the butterfly stick, the pink dress af armor (though it still beat Grandma's Nightgown from HW), and the Divine Benison / Plenary Indulgence additions. I mean, I'm fine with the black/white thematics, and I'm not one to advocate for heteronormative gender roles. But I am weary of being told I'm a pretty princess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHyKfv84io0

I'M SORRY I HAD TO

[Trunks]

ahaha I didn't think anyone would get the reference