Housing exposes a fundamental flaw in institutionalized ethics.

[Warr_of_Lint]

What about those that have alts with which they play on as well and they want another house for that different persona?

I recall many instances of people aruging that there would be more houses available if alts on the accounts were more unified and housing could be shared among them. I don't know if this is true or not, but now that they are restricting one house per account (more or less) I hope they will consider moving on this front.

[AngelCheese77]

It's how real life is in general really. People will do all they can to get what they want as long as it's in the laws of their state or country.

I have resigned myself to knowing I'll never get a house, and enjoy my small apartment. I'm fine with that.

[Enlial]

My belief is that its extremely unethical to occupy plots for the sole intention of reselling them. This is basically exploiting the fact that not everyone who wants a home is able to get one. (as in, making a serious problem even worse in order to profit off it)

Owning multiple homes for actual use (that is, personal enjoyment, however one defines it) I've always felt to be fair game. There's a big difference between the two.

The fault lies with SE. They made a broken system, they need to fix it, period. So maybe knock it off with this Haves vs have-not's scapegoating BS and demand they fix it?

[Gumbercules]

i can't believe we're down to applying real world ethics to a video game to somehow try to understand why people buy more than one virtual home. this is getting weird.

a virtual "biome" is still a biome. Even within a video game, and for example said games forums, you will find differences between its community of what they feel is "ethical". For example i feel a FC should have dibs on a house, other will believe in the "first come, first serve" approach to this dilemma, etc.

I is also a more easily studied environment since its more limited and controlled. There are "real world" applications to it too, raging from availability to costs, for example similarities to the housing issues in the RL with millennial owning less homes and the older generation having less of an Easter egg in the form of "selling" their own home. (ie millennial/player lack of access leads to easier "sweeping" up of houses by larger entities/re-sellers etc, and the demolition system as a synergy)

[Falling]

Only 1 thing is common in all arguments, debates, suggestions, and criticism - it is what the rules are now.

Trying to apply ethics to this spectacle solves nothing - its not an ethics problem. The only thing that will ever be accepted will always be the rules. Anything in that window? 100% up to you, the player. Stretch every rule to the limit, or be outdone by the other person who will - and that person will always exist. They live in the house you dream of, drive the car you want, and in this case have the perfect house(s) on the perfect character - because theres no ethics to get there. In real life, its even more lopsided - you'll usually have to break rules along the way to succeed.

You want a piece of the pie when theres only 12 slices that 119 others are looking at with you? I promise you, the people eating pie that day are eating because they did things to make it happen that the other 108 will think they shouldn't have. Ill bet there would be less than 12 eating pie too.

[MistakeNot]

You may call it a loop-hole but that's just how the system was built. Yes it was absolutely fair.

No, it wasn't fair at all - it was merely allowed.
Just because something is legal does not automatically make it okay - which is the point of the OP.

[Mirch]

ethics lul, envy people smh

[AriesMouse]

I don't have any issues with it, and certainly don't assign ethics or morals to capitalistic reassignment of limited luxury items.

Since your icon/selected character is a lalafell, I read this in Lolorito's voice, and it was perfect.
Thank you for that.


On subject to the OP; I think people playing the game the way they want to play it, within the boundaries of the rules is perfectly fine, and not something that should have so much weight put on it. This turns into something of a slippery slope. You say house hoarders should feel bad, because they have something other's don't. That turns into "people with personal houses should feel bad because FCs are homeless", from there it's "X person isn't using their house enough, when someone else that is homeless would use that house more!" and so on. Edit:Personally, I'm on the side of own all the houses you want, so long as you actually do something with them. The amount of houses that sit unused, only visited because the owner got the auto-demo e-mail is sad, and honestly a bigger problem than people owning 2 houses, which are constantly used and cared for.

Edit: Also adding: There is a reason to have more than one home, and for more than just decorating and RP: Gardening. It's not even a matter of having access to the garden, but the amount of access. Someone in a small house will never have the gardening power of someone in a med or a large. Owning a second house on an alt, another small, helps to balance that out a little.

There are also social things with it as well. Some people buy houses for friends because they either: A)Couldn't make it to the plot in time, so their friend secured it for them. B)Might need to take long breaks from the game do to work/school, but would really love to enjoy all the perks of a house, so their more active friend keeps the home owner title, as they can stay consistently active, while the person that actually wants the house does everything with the house while marked as a roommate(basically co-owner in this setup. Something I think they should put in the game.)

Last edit, I swear: Housing shouldn't be a war between the haves and the have-nots. It should be the players demanding better from SE, who made this system in the first place. They intentionally made housing finite, because they wanted it to be special, and look at the mess that has made. They brought this sickness into the community, not the people that bought a second or third house while their server sat with many houses unbought at the lowest possible price.

[illgot]

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I love calling people out when they are being sanctimonious.

If you are so ethically upright, why are you playing this game or even bothering with a subscription to this game instead of feeding the homeless and making everything fair for the downtrodden of your real life community? Fundamentally everyone is selfish and only do things for their ego. Whether that ego calls for getting a bigger more expensive car or sharing what they have to make others happy (there by giving them a sense of happiness). The way the world works is that everyone is selfish, it's just that some selfish desires benefit the group as a whole.

The only "fundamental flaw" this housing issue exposes is that the current housing system does not work well in an MMO.

So stop trying to be holier than thou and putting down people with multiple houses and start talking about a fix to the housing situation like maybe instanced housing.

[MizArai]

No, it wasn't fair at all - it was merely allowed.
Just because something is legal does not automatically make it okay - which is the point of the OP.

Everyone had the same super poor chance of winning log in savage and getting a house. Or catching a demolition after those were started. Or going on reddit and paying through the nose to someone if you were too lazy or had super bad luck with the other options. Everyone could own a house, and everyone had the same (usually super low) chance of finding one and purchasing it. That last sentence is why it was fair. Since it is no longer allowed (and all the characters on a server still can't share a house), I would argue the current system isn't fair.

The only "fundamental flaw" this housing issue exposes is that the current housing system does not work well in an MMO.

So stop trying to be holier than thou and putting down people with multiple houses and start talking about a fix to the housing situation like maybe instanced housing.

OMG! This times like a million! ♥