GET OFF MY LAWN!!

[Bloodkraft]

Is it really social if they never talk to/interact with you and only "visit" to use things in your yard/house? :B

This is so much like my real life neighbors

[AnimaAnimus]

house privilege

Ooooof course someone would use "privilege", because owning a virtual house in an online game is just like racial or socio economic privilege that can make actual survival in the actual world more difficult.

You know if everyone complaining about not have access to a house would spend any time watching the wards they would have a house. When camping for a mansion, which took almost a year thank you, I noticed just how many houses open. You see multiple smalls throughout the week and mediums at least once. And you only needed to check once an hour since the houses all opened at the top of the hour. Who knows the actual numbers since I really only checked a few times a day.

I camped my house for nearly a year, if I wanna complain because some idiots are using the house that I spent time not only earning the gil for but actually taking the time to check wards for every now and then and we have an actual equal chance of getting them because there is no outside bias. Then yeah I am going to complain. That is not privilege that is something actually annoying that takes away from the thing I actually put effort into.

You want a house so bad, put some time into getting one instead of complaining about some twisted form of elitism on the forums.

[AriesMouse]

Then yeah I am going to complain.

I love how you missed basically everything else in my post past the word "privilege" (even after I stated I cringed to use it). I did mention things like: people should actually try to get the system changed, or suggestions that might help with the yard squatter problem.

You can go on and on about how you worked for your house, but at the end of the day, you worked for something that you knew would be open to the public to a degree, so you can't really complain. It's like ordering a cake you KNEW had a certain fruit in it, didn't do anything at all to see to it that that fruit wasn't put into the cake,
then ate the cake, and are now complaining that cake had that specific fruit in it.

The real problem with housing is that it doesn't really take work, it takes RNG like everything else in the game. Also, that it is a grossly finite resource, and SE insists on sticking to the Ward system, meaning people will always have open yards for people to troll around in. You want a house? Accept that the yards are public property as far as SE sees it.

[AnimaAnimus]

How in the world is house availability come down to randomly generated numbers? There is nothing random about it. You can buy one or actually put some effort into finding one that is open. It has nothing to do with rng.

It takes work to actually earn the gil and then you need to put effort into actually obtaining it by watching the wards. And your solutions are not viable if you are actively being harassed and forced to close your house and GMs refuse to do anything about it.

I love visitors, ppl come in and chat or look around and we have a good time. But after a FC invades your house, spams emotes, talks or rp in /s, jumps on your furnishings and erp in your bedroom or bathtub and the only solution you have is to close it off completely, yeah that's a good reason to complain. And I shouldn't have to put up with any of that and that's a whole different thing from getting the wrong fruit on a cake. Its still cake and givin the choice I could remove it. I cant remove just squatters without actually taking away part of having a house I actually liked...

[AriesMouse]

I cant remove squatters...

It is basically random when a house auto-demos, so yes, by your method of "working to get a house", that is rng to some extent. It is completely random (from your perspective as a waiting buyer), when a house is going to auto demo. This is getting worse with the random timer on when a house will go up for sale.

It is debatable if it is hard or not to make gil. Everyone has a different opinion on this, and honestly it really isn't that hard, the only struggle is just time, if you don't have the time to play, then making gil can be a pain. Just the same, you can't say "Work harder to get a house" and then say "It takes work to earn the gil". I can just tell you to work harder to make the gil for a house if that is the logic we're working with. The "just work harder" logic.

I understand that having unwanted guests in your yard is annoying, but again, you knew this was a possibility when you bought that house.
It's not a matter of getting the wrong fruit on the cake, it's a matter of ordering and eating a cake, knowing it has that unwanted thing in it, and then complaining when that thing leaves a bad taste in your mouth. It's not like this was a change they made to the game, or something that was blindsiding. The Wards are open and public, always have been, and likely always will be.

It sucks that it happens, and I am sorry you have to put up with it, but rather than complain about/at the people in your yard, fight along side so many others and demand that they make instanced housing an option. Or at least that they make a way to lock specific people out of your property.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. Or at least it's designers. Okay, maybe hate some players a little, if you need to. I'm sure they earned it (seriously, who just erps in a strangers house? Creepy.)

[AnimaAnimus]

I have been fighting with other players to get instanced housing since housing was a thing.

And no making gil is not hard, but it does take time. And I knew there was a social element to the housing, like I said, I like that part. Many people have come in and sat and chatted with me or had a look around. It's when ppl come in and erp, talk in /s and everything else and the GMs just shrug it off. That is not something you expect to have to deal with or lose one of the only good parts of public housing. That would be like poisoning the cake, but if that happened I could take the baker to court without having to never eat cake again.

And again, there is no rng, the houses always opened at the top of the hour and you just had to look. Like I said, I did it casually and houses were always popping up, except mansions. There is no inner dice roll that determines if they open that devs can adjust to give ppl more options. It is not determined by the game or anything that has been programed, like loot drops. The houses may appear at random since reclaim is a thing, but there is nothing mechanical going on. So it can hardly be compared to dungeon or primal loot. This sort of chance and rng are completely separate things. And reclaim will still work as usual, 45 days so it wont make it worse it will be exactly the same as always, you just cant buy a house from a player anymore because you don't know when it will be open. Which is a mighty fine solution to the housing situation and prevent ppl from buying houses just to resell. So actually it should make getting a house easier. IF you put effort in and watch the wards.

I swear ppl wanna put zero effort into anything but still reap the rewards.

[Ssmiley_Bjakkzz]

Helluuuuuuu

[AriesMouse]

And again, there is no rng, the houses always opened at the top of the hour...

Genuinely didn't know this. Granted, I also haven't really been house hunting yet. Going to wait to see how things go when the new wards open, then think about getting a house.

I think you and I just view rng differently. To me, it is basically random change. It's how it feels at least, sure there are numbers to it, but at the end of the day, it is still random. Knowing the housing demo is on a timer is comforting, since that takes some random out of the mix.

Also, this doesn't have anything to do with people not wanting to work, it just has to do with people being tired of a horrible system. My complaints are just that it sort of feels a little like taking things for granted, to complain about people in your yard while the forums are on fire talking about how so many people don't have homes. Keep in mind, when I say 'you', I mean everyone complaining about yard squatters, not anyone specific. I will say, if people are actually harassing you, erping, etc, report them. If they have done anything in the chat at all that is against the ToS, report them. Assuming you don't do that already, if you do, then carry on, and I am sorry you have to put up with all of that.


I still say they should make a way to lock people out of your yard, especially if they are blacklisted. Maybe make a thing for FCs to blacklist people too.

[MizArai]

How in the world is house availability come down to randomly generated numbers? There is nothing random about it. You can buy one or actually put some effort into finding one that is open. It has nothing to do with rng.

I would argue that 3.3 adding wards 9-12 and more so with Shirogane Savage the equivalent to RNG was a factor. If you didn't get lucky enough with log in and queue (or even worse caught errors and had to relog), then you either didn't get the plot you wanted (3.3) or didn't get a plot at all (Shirogane Savage).

While plots do open up from time to time when the demolition timer is on (it's been off a lot since it was started), it is basically an RNG system of when/if something gets demo'd. Yes they get demo'd at the top of the hour, but are any plots getting demo'd this hour? Or next hour? Will they be small, medium, or large? It's random. Unless you know of some way for us to see when it will happen it's still going to be a random number. And that only gets worse for anyone who doesn't already own a home now that 4.2 has come out and all houses will have a randomly generated time when they will not be available for purchase after the plot is vacated.

[Elamys]

You know, asking people to be polite and respectful is not saying "I DON'T WANT ANY VISITORS TO MY HOUSE" it's asking people to be decent people, and if your response is "well you can't tell people to act that way it doesn't work" then screw you. Not everyone is a raging a-hole.