SE, Please consider removing EX trials from the Mentor Roulette.

[Kaurhz]

snipped.

For the sake of staying on point I did not mention other players, though they're equally guilty in many cases bailing on a duty. For this reason I'm almost at the point of gearing exclusively just by making my own gear. That being said bailing on duties should warrant more punishment. But hey'ohh

[Paladinleeds]

For the sake of staying on point I did not mention other players, though they're equally guilty in many cases bailing on a duty. For this reason I'm almost at the point of gearing exclusively just by making my own gear. That being said bailing on duties should warrant more punishment. But hey'ohh

I wonder if a 2 hour 30 minute penalty would be enough? As well as other things (such as being kicked, etc) also giving a 2.5hr penalty. That way people won't just fake-DC to avoid the penalty. Now yes, I know giving players the power to issue a penalty on others is a hotly-contested topic but the fake-DC/AFK thing would be all too easy to work around a penalty were that not accounted for. Now, were it a mostly premade group that kicked you, that could not issue the penalty (to avoid almost fully premade groups being able to power-trip and lock people out of the queue to get their jollies), but aside from that issue it. 2hr 30min is longest duty length + 30 minutes. Meaning in all cases it's better to just stick it out, but it isn't too harsh. I also wouldn't allow Vote Abandon until say 15 minutes remain on the clock, so you at the very least give it a good bash.

EDIT: By the 2hr 30min penalty I'm referring to ANY duty, not just Mentor Roulette.
EDIT2: Idea. If a group is harassing you and the only way out would be to leave duty, you could reach out to a GM and report it, and if they find harassment is going on, they can safely pull you out of the duty with no penalty. Since the people harassing you would need reporting anyway, it's kind of an extra reason to send in that report as the GM would be able to safely pull you out. (EDIT3: Or maybe not always pull you out, but offer you the choice of you being pulled out, or removing the harassers and letting you find new members to fill the in-progress duty. I would also make it so anyone who bails, except for the last member, gets the penalty, not just the first to bail.)

[Reinha]

Don't you worry. With the MSQ change, the most common dungeons for mentor roulette are going to be those two.

Hey, I'm cool with that. At least they can be cleared with randomly selected and unprepared players. Unlike some ex trials (there's a reason why they don't go straight in the DF on release).

[Deceptus]

Don't you worry. With the MSQ change, the most common dungeons for mentor roulette are going to be those two.

Honestly, I don't mind that, but you're right.

[AxlStream]

Don't you worry. With the MSQ change, the most common dungeons for mentor roulette are going to be those two.

Sad but true. Nobody will want to stick through that mess of an instance now.

[Vhailor]

Primarily, the mechanics required in an Extreme Trial can't be simplified into party chat. Because of that, whenever an EX trial pops, a few things happen: A party struggles for an hour or so and maybe completes it. Or, more often than not, someone abandons and then once that first person does (and takes the penalty), everyone else abandons as well.

Result: It does nothing but make people not want to queue for Mentor Roulettes because it can easily devolve into a waste of time.

If a player has reached the point where they are ready for EX Trials, they should be looking up guides on their own, making clear parties in the DF, etc.

While some people like the challenge of old synced content, and minimum ilvl content, there are far more who do not.

And if we're all being honest, EX content has zero bearing on the main story. It's completely optional content.

I think the most relevant point here is that players reaching EX Trials should be largely looking up guides on their own (or putting them off until they're level 70 and can low-man it, which allows players to ignore the vast majority of the mechanics). I think we can all agree it'd be ridiculous to, for example, put Ultimate into the Mentor roulette. At a certain point, people running the content aren't new players anymore.

With this in mind, I'd say the Mentor roulette should contain only the following content:
(a) Any story-linked instance level 60 or below;
(b) Any leveling instance level 60 or below (NOT the level 50 dungeon or level 60 dungeon lists, but rather side stuff like Halatali, Qarn, or Dzemael);
(c) Guildhests

I'd also be alright with seeing a second Mentor roulette introduced focused on 'mid-tier' content that could contain all remaining content at level 60 or below, such as EX Trials, or the non-leveling-focused dungeons at 50 and 60. There's a good possibility this would draw people away from the traditional Mentor roulette, however, so it might not work out in the end.

[Metalwrath]

It's fine as it is.Doesnt need to be changed.
The bottom line is that the main people who have issues with the other content being there are mainly the ones who want to get a free mount as fast as possible.
If they want it so badly they'll just have to work for it.No amount of lying and claiming that the mentor roulette was just there to fix queue times or making accusations of people white knighting is going to change that.
As for people who want to be mentor for the right reasons and cant do the EX trials well the Novice network is there.You can use that to help others in content you know.

[BillyKaplan]

No amount of lying and claiming that the mentor roulette was just there to fix queue times

It's not a lie if it was in the patch notes

[Vhailor]

It's fine as it is.Doesnt need to be changed.
The bottom line is that the main people who have issues with the other content being there are mainly the ones who want to get a free mount as fast as possible.
If they want it so badly they'll just have to work for it.No amount of lying and claiming that the mentor roulette was just there to fix queue times or making accusations of people white knighting is going to change that.
As for people who want to be mentor for the right reasons and cant do the EX trials well the Novice network is there.You can use that to help others in content you know.

There's a difference between needing to be changed (it doesn't) and should be changed (it should).

By its very name, the Mentor network and roulette are there to help, you know, support new players. This support takes on two primary forms: guidance within instances, and numbers for early-game instances themselves. Adding in things like the EX fights does not serve this mission, because the players in them by definition aren't new to FFXIV; moreover, it detracts from a primary goal of the Mentor roulette (numbers for early-game instances). This loss manifests itself in two ways: (1) existing mentors are spread out across more possible instances, and (2) many people who might participate in the Mentor roulette haven't necessarily cleared all of the content for themselves.

I myself fall into the latter category. As a returning player, I saw no value to queuing for, say, Thornmarch Extreme. It doesn't provide content relevant for me. I also haven't cleared Alexander for the same reason. I have cleared all of the storyline-relevant and leveling-relevant dungeons that are the primary focus of the Mentor roulette, and would happily queue for the roulette as part of my normal activities: but I can't. I'm blocked out. That's one fewer person to help out new players in the instances themselves. And clearly, I say this as someone who doesn't give two flying ****s about the mount.

[DrWho2010]

then turn in your crown.