DRK 4.2 Buff is a .50 - .60% DPS increase.

[Chrono_Rising]

How much MP do you gain with a 2.33 gcd? How much blood does the change give you if you had a 2.29 gcd? What about if you use Delirium on BW and get down to a NIN-like 2.09? How much MP, or how many DAs, or how many GCDS? I challenge you to think again about this. I mean REALLY think before you sound the next call to arms and rage all over the forums for ANOTHER raid tier.

This has been mathed out already. it is somewhere between a 1.8 pps and 3.2 pps increase. Which is very tiny. This amounts to 8 more seconds of blood weapon in a 240 second inveral. Which amounts to a little more than 1 Dark arts worth of mana and about 1 bloodspiller worth of blood, the haste effect is accounted for too. Thats every 4 minutes. This isn't exactly the level of buff Dark Knight would need.

[Tegernako]

Nope still broken. Still likely lowest DPS and all other issues unaddressed.

That's not broken. It's not good but that's not a definition for broken.


As for my response to these changes...WTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SE WHAT IS THIS!!!!!!!! WHHHHHHHHHHY

[Nedkel]

But what about the TBN buff, 7 secs will make it easier to break it, and so on easier to receive 50 blood gauge to use it on something like Quietus or bloodspiller that actually do a lot of dmg.

[TheCount]

But what about the TBN buff, 7 secs will make it easier to break it, and so on easier to receive 50 blood gauge to use it on something like Quietus or bloodspiller that actually do a lot of dmg.

That doesn't actually affect DPS unless the DRK in question was bad with timing TBN properly. It will still give the same amount of gauge, it will still protect you for the same amount. That one is just quality of life, really.

[WhyAmIHere]

But what about the TBN buff, 7 secs will make it easier to break it, and so on easier to receive 50 blood gauge to use it on something like Quietus or bloodspiller that actually do a lot of dmg.

All that does is make more DRK players better at using the skill, less "give everyone more blood." It just widens the pool, without changing the amount of water in it.

[Ortheri]

That's not broken. It's not good but that's not a definition for broken.


As for my response to these changes...WTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SE WHAT IS THIS!!!!!!!! WHHHHHHHHHHY

I agree I was too harsh there DRK is viable. But still well short of balance with the other Tanks.

But what about the TBN buff, 7 secs will make it easier to break it, and so on easier to receive 50 blood gauge to use it on something like Quietus or bloodspiller that actually do a lot of dmg.

If you were using TBK and it's not breaking immediately you are better off to use your mp on anything else.

[Xelious]

But what about the TBN buff, 7 secs will make it easier to break it, and so on easier to receive 50 blood gauge to use it on something like Quietus or bloodspiller that actually do a lot of dmg.

The Blackest Night change is only a QoL change that makes it easier to mitigate damage. It wont help drks dps at all.

TBN is actually a dps loss for drks (especially outside of tank stance). Since TBN and Dark Arts share the same MP cost, you basically trade one for the other. Even though TBN gives blood, your MP is better spent on DA: Siphon Strike, Souleater or Bloodspiller. because the potency increase is the exact same on said skills. On top of that, you want to have MP so you can DA: Carve and Spit every time it's off cooldown. The only way TBN will ever be viable outside of being a damage mitigation utility, is if drks could gain more MP than they spend.

[Nedkel]

That doesn't actually affect DPS unless the DRK in question was bad with timing TBN properly. It will still give the same amount of gauge, it will still protect you for the same amount. That one is just quality of life, really.

But what if DRK use TBN everytime its up?
If it breaks, it translates to 50 blood gauge and further for good damage abilities that use the blood.

You could use TBN for mitigation everytime it is up, break it and use the blood for quietus in order to restore the MP used on TBN, or bloodspiller for bigger damage.
For example in the trial where the TBN sometimes doesnt break, its a waste, those 2 sec extra could benefit DRK so much, it will be a constant source of blood.

Im curious how it will be in practice, because timing it is a good thing to do, but maybe the change will make it so it will provide gauge no matter what moment you used it.

Just guessing.

[Chrono_Rising]

But what if DRK use TBN everytime its up?
If it breaks, it translates to 50 blood gauge and further for good damage abilities that use the blood.

You could use TBN for mitigation everytime it is up, break it and use the blood for quietus in order to restore the MP used on TBN, or bloodspiller for bigger damage.
For example in the trial where the TBN sometimes doesnt break, its a waste, those 2 sec extra could benefit DRK so much, it will be a constant source of blood.

Im curious how it will be in practice, because timing it is a good thing to do, but maybe the change will make it so it will provide gauge no matter what moment you used it.

Just guessing.

There has been alot of math done on TBN. If you are a grit dark knight then yes, this will help you out by breaking more frequently. If you use your tank stance more as a suggestion then this changes nothing as you want to minimize its use.

[Deceptus]

I didn't play DRK before (despite having a 70) and these changes don't make me want to play one.

Great job SE /s