SE, Please consider removing EX trials from the Mentor Roulette.

[BillyKaplan]

A better solution is that they should just bump all ex trials to 70 and rebalance them and the awards.

Only they're fully aware running things unsynced is exactly why a lot of people run these trials in the first place and without that they'd be even more barren than they already are. When SB hit, Yoshi himself encouraged people to run the HW ex trials now that you could unsync them. Not only would scaling them up be a waste of time and resources (better to just make a new trial instead of revamping an old one) but it would keep them locked as niche content which is something they don't want to do. And in that sense, they're right - the raiding scene gets new content to chew with the relevant end-game while the more casual raiders get to farm the last xpac's mounts. Everyone's occupied until the next patch. And it's not like Seph-ex or even Sophia is all that face-rollable even with the level increase...

[RiyahArp]

Easy to say, nightmare to do. They'd waste resources each expac re-balancing old fights for the new max level and ilvl caps- resources that would otherwise go into designing and creating new content.

What "new content?" I mean seriously, at this point I wonder.

And there's no point to even do them synced. They tried to get people to do the coils synced by the whole "craftable coil gear" thing, and then just gave up and threw it in POTD. They are kind of pointless content both ways; either you do them unsynced and trivial, or you sync and wait multiple hours to disband. And a lot of the reason people dont want to do them in mentor is that once you get your mount, they are pointless content.

If they want to make hard content in general, keep it to level cap when we have all our kit, and level 50s don't try them.

[Narcotics]

Imo, they should ONLY have EX trials. Anything under is just casual content that can be figured out in minutes. If you only have easy stuff in mentor roulette, that kinda defeats the purpose

[BillyKaplan]

If you only have easy stuff in mentor roulette, that kinda defeats the purpose

The purpose is to fill queues, not anything else.

[Starflake]

Imo, they should ONLY have EX trials. Anything under is just casual content that can be figured out in minutes. If you only have easy stuff in mentor roulette, that kinda defeats the purpose

The purpose of mentor roulette it to be a mentor, not having to explain mechanics to new people every roulette like it's some sort of advanced mathemetics. EX content should be done in Party Finder, unsynced or synced (as they please). Mentor roulettes enable a lot of people to have faster queues. Don't take that away under the pretence that mentor roulettes just aren't difficult enough. It's not meant to be.

[Alleo]

Ultimate is not part of Mentor Roulette, while Extremes are. So that example isn't even real.

I know. It was more about the: What if. What if mentors need to be able to beat ultimate to even go into the roulette.

I mean right now mentors have to beat the recent primals too if they even want to queue for the roulette. I just dont really count recent extreme primals as content that new players should be in. Heck even stuff like Thordan, Nidhogg and other HW primals are kinda hard if you unsynch them. I dont really want to run them synch with new people. In the end people like me, who just dont fight recent primals are not able to help as a mentor. (Other then running normal dungeons and looking if someone new is there) I just wish we would have a mentor roulette only for dungeons and normal trials. Heck I would be fine if we dont get points for the achievement if we chose the one without the extreme trials..but at least a choice would be nice.

[Metalwrath]

The purpose of mentor roulette it to be a mentor, not having to explain mechanics to new people every roulette like it's some sort of advanced mathemetics. EX content should be done in Party Finder, unsynced or synced (as they please). Mentor roulettes enable a lot of people to have faster queues. Don't take that away under the pretence that mentor roulettes just aren't difficult enough. It's not meant to be.

You're contradicting yourself here.You are saying that because they are a mentor they shouldnt teach.You might want to go google the term mentor because its clear you dont know what it means.

[Fynlar]

WTF even is this thread? Extreme Trials are the BEST PART of Mentor Roulette!

Yeah, I have to admit I love completely wasting my time too when all I wanted was to get my roulettes done. It really gets my jollies off.

So first question, why be a mentor if you can't even do EX trials? Second question, why be a mentor if you intend to dip out of some fights?

Mentor =/= professional.

Then don't do Mentor Roulette.

Sorry, but I will keep doing mentor roulette because it has a reward I want that can't be gotten any other way. Blame SE for putting that reward there, not me.

But the fact that EX trials are on it are only going to serve to waste not just my time, but the time of most other unprepared people trying to DF it not realizing how difficult they actually are. It's basically the same sort of thing that was going on with Steps of Faith and trials roulette before the duty got nerfed; it only served to break apart the roulette because people eventually learned to just leave when that trial showed up rather than waste their time.

SE's design philosophy seems to be letting the newbie sit for hours on a queue that will either never pop, or when it does people just leave as soon as the duty starts and they are back to waiting hours for replacements/requeue.

IMO that makes for a far worse game experience than informing people how to use Party Finder to get a group of people that actually is willing to run this kind of content.

Yep. It's exactly the sort of problem that's going on now with Castrum/Prae. By not taking the opportunity to instead emphasize the use of the PF, they're just setting up the newbies for more failure, because now far fewer people are going to bother with the scenario roulette.

[Hestzhyen]

Mentor =/= professional.

You don't have to be a world-first Savage/Ultimate clear caliber of player to do the old EX fights. You just have to be better than the average newbie and help them learn, even if you're learning right alongside them. If you got an unsynced EX clear and got stuck in the synced version via roulette, remember the mechanics you saw as you guys start the fight. You're already a few steps ahead just by virtue of having seen the fight at all.

[Deceptus]

Imo, they should ONLY have EX trials. Anything under is just casual content that can be figured out in minutes. If you only have easy stuff in mentor roulette, that kinda defeats the purpose

Mentor roulette is there to help with long queue times primarily.