SE: if it aint broke, dont fix it (War)

[DaulBan]

Lining up buffs and keeping with raid buffs [I]was/is[/I/ more difficult than on the other jobs where you either hold mana (DRK) or are locked in a rotation anyways (PLD), but not hugely so. I think it's kind of hasty to throw Xeno under the bus for his comments about DHcrit and the opener though, because what he was talking about in regards to FC and how it is now vs Heavensward was true.

[TouchandFeel]

Lining up buffs and keeping with raid buffs [I]was/is[/I/ more difficult than on the other jobs where you either hold mana (DRK) or are locked in a rotation anyways (PLD), but not hugely so. I think it's kind of hasty to throw Xeno under the bus for his comments about DHcrit and the opener though, because what he was talking about in regards to FC and how it is now vs Heavensward was true.

I understood what Xeno was attempting to say, the problem lies more in how he says things. His online/youtube persona is very over-the-top, which I get the necessity of to a point, but it results in many viewers hearing the "volume" of the message and not the details of the content. So while his comments were meant to be pointed at specifics, what people heard and then repeated was "WAR Needs Crit Badly!". That coupled with the playing up of how WAR was "so much more complicated" and required "way more skill" and now we see the repercussions of that, even if such statements were really just a way of tooting one's own horn.

Honestly, I for the most part have no real problem with Xeno and from what I understand he is a really nice guy. I have more of a problem with the people that don't think for themselves and bandwagon and latch onto parroting hyperbole. I just wish Xeno would be more mindful of the effect that the things that he says, in the way that he says them, has on the viewpoints that take root in the community.

Having a very visible voice and presence means having power, and as the adage goes "with great power comes great responsibility".

[DaulBan]

Honestly, I for the most part have no real problem with Xeno and from what I understand he is a really nice guy. I have more of a problem with the people that don't think for themselves and bandwagon and latch onto parroting hyperbole. I just wish Xeno would be more mindful of the effect that the things that he says, in the way that he says them, has on the viewpoints that take root in the community.

I still don't think I really agree with you here. Neither here nor on Reddit do people really talk about WAR being particularly complicated. In fact, here in particular people have been spending inordinate amounts of time complaining about DRK and its issues rather than anything else. Aside from the random snide remark nearly all discussion about tanks has been about DRK in relation to other tanks. I think any direct link between Xeno and his twitch chat and the changes we have is tenuous at best, and any responsibility for crazy overhaul we see here is strictly at the feet of the dev team.

If they didn't take the inordinate amount of DRK criticism and thought from the OF, Reddit, and elsewhere into consideration with their changes (which they didn't) then I highly doubt that Xeno's offhand comments about dhitcrit in the Moogle Post or odds and ends comments here had a significant impact on the changes to WAR. If the entire OF spending the last four months trying to get a bone with DRK didn't work, I can't imagine that the random people saying that WAR was too complicated made SE change Inner Release. I'd say its more likely that they just made a somewhat bizarre design decision on a whim, as they do, to boil two buffs into one because tanks aren't allowed to have fun.

[whiskeybravo]

I think it's kind of hasty to throw Xeno under the bus for his comments about DHcrit and the opener though, because what he was talking about in regards to FC and how it is now vs Heavensward was true.

I'm not trying to throw him under the bus, it's just literally exactly what he asked for.

Is there really any doubt that if we took what Xeno said out of this equation SE would've naturally came to the adjustments they arrived at? Possibly, but I don't think so..

[Tegernako]

I'm not trying to throw him under the bus, it's just literally exactly what he asked for.

Is there really any doubt that if we took what Xeno said out of this equation SE would've naturally came to the adjustments they arrived at? Possibly, but I don't think so..

That's like those things that grant wishes but not in the way you expect. For instance if you ask for money and it drowns you in the amount gives you.

Yeah he asked for stuff like that, he didn't ask for it to be given like this.