What are the most common reasons people don't dps?

[RopeDrink]

Well, a DPS only has the one job, to DPS. A healer ends up having two, healing the party and DPSing. So, yes, if it's too stressful to manage DPSing on a healer it could be easier to just roll DPS.

No. Damage is everyone's job. The difference between a DPS and a Healer (or Tank) is that DPS are built to specialize in that, while the other two have responsibilities that allow them (when not dealing damage) to ensure everyone else can. Damage wins content. The more everyone contributes, the better for everyone. Just because our priority is keeping people alive doesn't mean the end goal isn't the same as a DPS'er. We need to get the main target dead. ASAP.

[Elamys]

No. Damage is everyone's job. The difference between a DPS and a Healer (or Tank) is that DPS are built to specialize in that, while the other two have responsibilities that allow them (when not dealing damage) to ensure everyone else can. Damage wins content. The more everyone contributes, the better for everyone. Just because our priority is keeping people alive doesn't mean the end goal isn't the same as a DPS'er. We need to get the main target dead. ASAP.

That is not what I was saying and nothing about the comment I made should be construed as a statement either for or against healers DPSing.

[Cynfael]

That is not what I was saying and nothing about the comment I made should be construed as a statement either for or against healers DPSing.

I do understand, for what it’s worth. I only made my own comment because I think some players take the wrong message from statements like that.

[RopeDrink]

That is not what I was saying and nothing about the comment I made should be construed as a statement either for or against healers DPSing.

I didn't say it was. My post is in reference to you claiming Healers have two jobs when the reality is we all have one job, just different responsibilities in terms of achieving it. The problem regarding the overall topic is that (especially when people focus on the 'trinity') people assume their 'job' is their role description and don't seem to have any interest looking beyond that. This is the type of player that raises everyone else's ire seeing as; whether it is an emnity only tank, a heal only healer, or low-damage dealer, the poor optimization accumulates to a point where any content, whether casual or progressive, suddenly becomes obscenely more difficult than it needs to be. As soon as one person or more walks into a group and honestly believes they only have to fulfil the role-description to do a good job, the entire team suffers.

Imagine a DPS walks into a group and claims that it shouldn't matter that they mashed one button rather than a rotation - they're hitting a target, after all, thus fulfilling their role. Same applies to tanks and healers.

[Aniond]

i give up. healing is not for me. i always seem to overdo it, so focused on dps and uptime, while healing and panicking when group screws up mechanics - to hell with it, i don't enjoy this anymore, despite decent performance.
if i want to suffer i'd rather play BLM than SCH again, will be just frustration about screwed rotation, rather than worry that my dps could have been better along with feeling group did not have to suffer deaths despite it being their fault to begin with at the same time, if i could just done something better at that time. i think there was a post about how rewarding healing can be? yes, it certainly is, at those rare times when i make the day. except it is rarely the case

I switched to bard because of this. If they want me to DPS then that is what I will do. Its that simple. When people are sitting in a que for 30+ minutes while waiting for that solo healer then people will learn to back off.

[MoroMurasaki]

Well, a DPS only has the one job, to DPS. A healer ends up having two, healing the party and DPSing. So, yes, if it's too stressful to manage DPSing on a healer it could be easier to just roll DPS.

There are certainly people who have an easier time with a specific role. My comment wasn't about "some people" though, rather about the standards set for roles in the real world.

A healer can get through virtually all content using only the healing half of their toolkit where as every dps class needs to use nearly 100% of their abilities to be considered competent.

Could you imagine a BLM that didn't use Thunder spells at all? Or a BRD that didn't use songs? RDM that never procced with Jolt just hardcasted their 5 second spells? DPS are expected to be proficient with their entire toolkit at higher levels of play. You can't main the support side of your role as a dps. You can as a healer.

[Elamys]

Forgive me if I misunderstood but you suggested that SilentVoice wouldn't like to DPS because they have a hard time handling both DPS and healing. All I am saying is that I don't think that's the case for everyone because you can very easily play DPS without every using a support ability and the vast majority of people won't bat an eye. If someone is getting stressed out trying to juggle both DPS and healing while on a healing class, they may just find it easier to focus on only the one. That's all. Nothing about not playing your class to the fullest or anything like that.

[MoroMurasaki]

Forgive me if I misunderstood but you suggested that SilentVoice wouldn't like to DPS because they have a hard time handling both DPS and healing.

Oh no, not at all

I guess I just feel like ultimately the pressure on a dps to perform well (and the visibility of a dps performing poorly) spikes so much in higher end content that if raiding on a healer was intimidating I don't know how someone could handle the pressure on a dps. I feel like there is more pressure on a dps to perform at their highest level especially compared to the complete opposite being true through all casual content where dps don't need to do well ever and almost any wipe is the tank or healer's fault.

[Jollyy5]

I just have this feeling that no matter how many times one preaches that "healers should DPS when there is nothing else to do", some people just don't get the point...

For the umpteenth time, no one is asking big dick DPS from healers in any content, just some DPS when you can, it shouldn't be too stressful to anyone. If you can play a DPS or a tank, which involves pressing buttons pretty much all the time, you can do that as a healer too.

You don't have to be 60+ percentile healer at all, no, we are just asking you to be more than 0.

[SilentVoice]

oh believe me, i second mained Ninja before and now Samurai.i have a decent performance for both, not over the top, but i certainly enjoy the uptime optimization and work on mistakes is not as frustrating. honestly when i first entered Shinryu, o3s, hell, even o4s as a meele i could already tell how much less stressful it is to be a melee for me in these fights than being a SCH. I enjoy playing damage dealers, and realise that i enjoy much more than healers.
and yes, my stupid habits for playing a healer with high dps uptimes come rather from hw content itself, as i am certainly fast enough to keep decent healing and DPS uptime. i just DON'T enjoy this anymore. pity i also realised it too late and still wanted to try out SCH at SB release