Enfeeble Spells and Seperating White and Black Mage.

[grandm]

Cjn/whm should get it's own DD spells, so it doesn't gimp out Thm/Blm. Like I said they could, by example, get Holy as tier spells. Holy I II III IV etc. That All MP spell could be Mega Holy or something.

To me, that is rather unfair that:

Black mage loses half of it's spells at the expense of Cjn/Whm can DD solo.
The get that All Mp mega nuke.
Benediction.

If it can solo, then that means it is as powerful or equal to Thm/Blm. It's stated that Thm/Blm will have THE lowest health of all the classes. Cjn will have more HP than us so they could afford to take a hit or two.

Unless Black Mage hits like a truck, I don't see the fairness in this coming patch.

holy 1, 2, 3 etc would not work as they have just got rid of tier's

final fantasy one, black mage, fire ice lighting

as for thm losing out, i highly doubt it we have not had any numbers but, just a wild stab in the dark here CON - magic healing, THM - magic damage, don't ask me where i come up with these mad ideas, (i know there is no logic to a black mage getting high magic attack power and white mage getting high healing potency)

on a personl note i was planning on leveling THM so i can play blackmage i have no worries about it being gimped

[ereskigal]

Sayn there is no spells for a new Mage is just making up excuses for SE not to make new spell!!
There is no reason why these spell was taking away, feel like SE shafted CNJ and ARC big time it that's IMO.

[Sephr]

I don't understand why people are saying CNJ doesn't have offensive spells? They have at least 4 of their own and they can take others from THM, so I don't understand the problem?

The entire point of this system is that CNJ's abilities will be useful for solo and small man, WHM will be for larger groups.

[grandm]

Sayn there is no spells for a new Mage is just making up excuses for SE not to make new spell!!
There is no reason why these spell was taking away, feel like SE shafted CNJ and ARC big time it that's IMO.

its not that they couldn't come up with new spells for a class. its that the ones they took away are a school of magic that would be more suited to a class of there own

[Jinrya-Geki]

holy 1, 2, 3 etc would not work as they have just got rid of tier's

final fantasy one, black mage, fire ice lighting

as for thm losing out, i highly doubt it we have not had any numbers but, just a wild stab in the dark here CON - magic healing, THM - magic damage, don't ask me where i come up with these mad ideas, (i know there is no logic to a black mage getting high magic attack power and white mage getting high healing potency)

on a personl note i was planning on leveling THM so i can play blackmage i have no worries about it being gimped

The tiers are going way, but I was using it as an example now while the tiers are still in. The could still use Holy like the other spells.

As for FF1, I have never played that one. I'll take your word for it. Didn't it have Ancient magic spells as well Like Quake, for Earth?

Did you read the abilities to Cjn/Whm, and then Thm/Blm? Cjn get a magic attack potency +20% with -20% healing potency. Thm gets... ranged increase ability... that has to be the biggest waste of an ability.

It's already gimp right now, have you even tried to DD Ifrit as a Thaumaturge the damage is laughable.

[grandm]

patch 1.20 huge overhaul to battle system, best not to assume what any class will be like in 1.20 by looking at what they are like now. mage against ifrit is rubbish now for DD, but in 1.20 a mage will be set as straight up DD. after 1.20 hits if the thm is rubbish DD then complain. i bet after 1.20 a CON and a THM on the same level both fire a nuke, i bet a THM hits harder. if not then i'll agree they messed up, but lets have a go. before we start having a go

[Spellbinder]

Conjured; in tune with the elements but has no elemental attacks. Sure, let's break it some more. Remove all its attacks and just give it holy spells, that makes perfect sense for what is supposed to be the elemental mage.

[Jinrya-Geki]

patch 1.20 huge overhaul to battle system, best not to assume what any class will be like in 1.20 by looking at what they are like now. mage against ifrit is rubbish now for DD, but in 1.20 a mage will be set as straight up DD. after 1.20 hits if the thm is rubbish DD then complain. i bet after 1.20 a CON and a THM on the same level both fire a nuke, i bet a THM hits harder. if not then i'll agree they messed up, but lets have a go. before we start having a go

Or if enough people could say otherwise, they could change the plans up a bit and give Cjn its own spells, and Thm have all the elemental spells.

Ifrit is fire based, Cjn has wind, water, and earth. We have Fire, that goes out the window, lightning, and Ice. So we only have two offensive spells to Ifrit, while Conjurer has his weakness, and two toher spells to throw at him, and Bind AoE Nuke.

[zaviermhigo]

I'd rather them take the enfeebles, give them back later when they're more useful. For the first 8 months of the game the only enfeeble I used was poison, and maybe dia bio. Right now, I'm using bio II/Dia II MAYBE! and always poison II. Paralyze and slow, had a use, but were not useful. Why have a bunch of useless spells no one is dedicated to making better, I played this game as a thm to be a master enfeebler, the enfeebles sucked. I'd rather see them gone, then to have to keep being so sad on the inside everytime I see one of them.

[grandm]

Or if enough people could say otherwise, they could change the plans up a bit and give Cjn its own spells, and Thm have all the elemental spells.

Ifrit is fire based, Cjn has wind, water, and earth. We have Fire, that goes out the window, lightning, and Ice. So we only have two offensive spells to Ifrit, while Conjurer has his weakness, and two toher spells to throw at him, and Bind AoE Nuke.

class exclusive? or can you cross class?