Enfeeble Spells and Seperating White and Black Mage.

[Jinrya-Geki]

patch 1.20 huge overhaul to battle system, best not to assume what any class will be like in 1.20 by looking at what they are like now. mage against ifrit is rubbish now for DD, but in 1.20 a mage will be set as straight up DD. after 1.20 hits if the thm is rubbish DD then complain. i bet after 1.20 a CON and a THM on the same level both fire a nuke, i bet a THM hits harder. if not then i'll agree they messed up, but lets have a go. before we start having a go

Or if enough people could say otherwise, they could change the plans up a bit and give Cjn its own spells, and Thm have all the elemental spells.

Ifrit is fire based, Cjn has wind, water, and earth. We have Fire, that goes out the window, lightning, and Ice. So we only have two offensive spells to Ifrit, while Conjurer has his weakness, and two toher spells to throw at him, and Bind AoE Nuke.

[grandm]

Or if enough people could say otherwise, they could change the plans up a bit and give Cjn its own spells, and Thm have all the elemental spells.

Ifrit is fire based, Cjn has wind, water, and earth. We have Fire, that goes out the window, lightning, and Ice. So we only have two offensive spells to Ifrit, while Conjurer has his weakness, and two toher spells to throw at him, and Bind AoE Nuke.

class exclusive? or can you cross class?

[Jinrya-Geki]

class exclusive? or can you cross class?

It can be cross classed, but unless the developer's have changed how the abilities work, then our Wind/Water/Earth spells are going to less powerful as Thm than if I I was Cjn.

[grandm]

It can be cross classed, but unless the developer's have changed how the abilities work, then our Wind/Water/Earth spells are going to less powerful as Thm than if I I was Cjn.

i know they said abilities would be weaker for cross class. but in this case they should still work with magic attack power

[Jinrya-Geki]

i know they said abilities would be weaker for cross class. but in this case they should still work with magic attack power

I understand what you are saying.

If Cjn wants to solo let them cross class the elemental spells, it should come to come to the cost of the soloer, not to the person who want to party on damage.

Why should the Job that is meant to be a DD caster in a group/event be gimped because the soloer want a way to DD.

[Felis]

If Cjn wants to solo let them cross class the elemental spells, it should come to come to the cost of the soloer, not to the person who want to party on damage.

It's not only for solo, but for the class quests too. They should be makeable without cross class.

Maybe CNJ need the +20% Dmg skill because his normal attack magic potency could be much lower than his healing magic potency. And who said THM don't get a +attack magic potency as a trait?
We have still not all informations about the class reform. The trait list is still missing.

[Dreadnought]

It's not only for solo, but for the class quests too. They should be makeable without cross class.

Maybe CNJ need the +20% Dmg skill because his normal attack magic potency could be much lower than his healing magic potency. And who said THM don't get a +attack magic potency as a trait?
We have still not all informations about the class reform. The trait list is still missing.

well by your logic then THM/BLM should get Sacrifice back, oh and also give them Shell. Whos to say THM/BLM sacrifice would be as powerful as their nukes?

CNJ/WHM is looking awfully similar to an all around "does everything" mage which gives it a more viable chance to solo as its own class, all while THM/BLM is neither looking like a glass cannon nor a an all around magic user like CNJ/BLM.

i thought they wanted the classes to be more defined.... but CNJ/WHM can do it all just as it could before. its hardly any different.