What are the most common reasons people don't dps?

[Vyriah]

Your English is quite good, but I do wonder if some of your objections come from a place of missing the nuance of the ongoing discussion.

It's hard to deny there was some intervention of poor taste. Can't deny that I didn't get carried a bit to much at some point, I minded my tone more on last intervention.

I guet the nuance you're talking about, though I'm pretty sure you can guess I'm wouldn't talk about poor gameplay, but I'm concerned some other player not getting. You can see well how one thing get to another on those very thread, it's easy to lose sight of nuance when there's a group dynamic.
Not here in particular, I'm more concerned about what happen in the game.

[Sebazy]

It was made just before SB, so it's more recent than CNJ quests.

And it's referring to how they did things in ARR which is a dramatically different game compared to what we have now.

Watch the following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXvfHESJw5s

Note how whilst I DPS on the heart phase and dot gaols etc, yet didn't bother to maintain even aero on Titan. I was used to these Titan carrys dragging out and I knew this one would even more so because we had 2 tanks and soso DPS. It's pretty much as Yoshida says in the documentary, I needed to play the long game with my MP.

However, that was 5 years, 2 expansions and countless changes ago tho. That style of play is massively removed from what we have today. Resource management ceases to be a the issue it once was as you start getting 320+ gear, it takes wasteful amounts of aoe healing or hugely aggressive aoe DPS to seriously threaten your MP pull now assuming things aren't going horridly wrong elsewhere.

A good comparison might be saying that a TV documentary showing servants walking infront of cars with warning flags is still relevant because it aired on Dave last night. The documentary might be recent, but it's still discussing a bygone era.

I am soooooooo sick and tired of you guys quoting Yoshida as evidence of anything. I can quote the Hall of the Novice, cite the behavior of the AI healer in squadron missions and even point at the theme of the whole first few CNJ quests (you know things actually in the game instead of some random documentary of the making of the base game from literally years ago) and you guys act like none of those things have any relavence but think obscure old quotes from Yoshida are gospel.

I might have snorted a bit when I saw this =(

[Vyriah]

But mana mangement wasn't the reason I did that citation, it was about balacing the potencies of the spells based on the mana they costs. I also talked about SCH changes, wich mostly concerned mana costs and potencies.
It tells more about how mana management changed more than how healing did.

You're cherry picking from my posts here.

[Bahati]

Is this thread this many pages simply to complain about bottom barrel healers that are literally standing around when HP is full? Well, I have the answer as to why that happens! Ignorance, laziness or anxiety. Too ignorant to realize because they have DPS buttons they should press them. Too lazy to bother with anything but bare minimum. Or too inexperienced/not confident in pressing those DPS buttons for the encounter they are in.

Or the "purist" healers that main this role becuase they want to do nothing but heal abd buff. If non-healers are so annoyed by this it is effecting their enjoyment of this game perhaps find healer friends who meet the desired expectations to run content with. Maybe have an adult beverage (if you are of age) on standby should you end up with dreadful non-DPSing randoms.

[MoroMurasaki]

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I have never spoken to a sprout/new healer with anything but a ton of patience before and to suggest otherwise is incredibly insulting. If you don't like hearing how stubborn you're being then I suggest trying to be a little less stubborn.

I didn't know English wasn't your native language. I do think that has harmed our interactions a fair bit because, as I've said, you are missing the point.

I'm through going back and forth with you on this, I think Sebazy summed up my feelings much better than I've been able to and frankly if you aren't able to take healing advice from Sebazy as factual I don't know who you can trust. There is just no way you know better.

I might have snorted a bit when I saw this =(

I laughed out loud enough for my boyfriend to look at me like I was crazy.

Thank you <3

[era1Ne]

The progression folks don't have the numerical ilvl to clear even if the DPS play absolutely flawlessly, and at that point either the healers have to make up the difference or you don't clear until you get more gear. As you go into later groups you probably do have the gear, but also don't have people who can play as close to perfect. That's what makes healer DPS so valuable: even a little bit can get you over the hump because it's effectively bonus.

It is a bonus and everytime i can help a group as a healer, which did hit enrage for different reasons, it puts a smile on my face, because i could help them getting the clear. I could go on, and on about this, but ultimately dpsing as a healer is just another way to support your group. You can skip mechanics (=less dmg -> less possibilitys to fail), decrease the pressure of dd/tanks (= less mistakes, because they can focus a bit more on the fight) and can help to prevent the enrage (= clear \o/ ).

Still, believing like some of the community are, that healers not doing ABC (aka standing aroung sometimes) or something makes them straight up lazy and ignorant is a bit to much. I've seen enough people claiming "Nah thats easy, boys!!!" and then fail. Some healers really don't see every dmg window (especially in raids) and this has different reason imo. They are not fast enough, run to much around, simple don't use every skill at their disposel or overheal, in the sense, that they don't trust reggen and heal unecessary. Best example healers healing before charybdis. Most of the time thats wasted healing, because the group will drop anyway to very low hp.

But i understand you and others, if they are angry or can not understand the "pure healers" with the only reason "Look at my icon, boy!!! It is green = healer". I dislike them myself. I just believe not every healer standing around sometimes, is a "pure healer". You didn't say that by the way. This was just me writing my thoughts down about the whole discussion xD

[Vyriah]

How was the subject about me getting healing advices ?

You still didn't answered anything that I've written last, just pretexting that my english is not good enough to understand "the point". And yet, nothing anyone said at any point even barely contradicted what I've written till now. Absolutly every single answers have been "but why helaer can't DPS ?!!!", wich wasn't the point I was making at all.

The only thing I said is that that game doesn't especially encourage (not allow, encourage) healer doing DPS and that a different healing design that didn't rely on mana vs potency but more ressource building into burst heal could encourage healer DPS better. And then someone tell me "yeah, but mana starvation was worse in ARR". Okay. Good. Thanks for the info. But what does that changes exactly ? The idea is still the same.

[era1Ne]

The only thing I said is that that game doesn't especially encourage (not allow, encourage) healer doing DPS and that a different healing design that didn't rely on mana vs potency but more ressource building into burst heal could encourage healer DPS better. And then someone tell me "yeah, but mana starvation was worse in ARR". Okay. Good. Thanks for the info. But what does that changes exactly ? The idea is still the same.

I think what they wanted to tell you with this is, that mana management got easier and still we have those 0 dps healers. Of course everyone has a different skill level and mana may or may not be an issue, but their point in my opinion is that healers have enough mana to still do dmg. Of couse, not everyone will hit high numbers for different reasons, but mana shouldn't prevent those healers from casting a few dmg spells. I mean, literally a few. Like 10 stones in 3 minutes for instance. Basically their point is imo, that you talking about mana management doesn't make sense, because it doesn't prevent the pure healers from casting a few dmg spells. Aka, you don't run out of mana with a few spells and therefore this shouldn't disencourage (is that even a word xD) them to do dps.

[Vyriah]

I think what they wanted to tell you with this is, that mana management got easier and still we have those 0 dps healers. Of course everyone has a different skill level and mana may or may not be an issue, but their point in my opinion is that healers have enough mana to still do dmg. Again, not everyone will hit high numbers for different reasons, but mana issues shouldn't prevent those healers from casting a few dmg spells. I mean, literally a few. Like 10 stones in 3 minutes for instance.

And What I am saying is having more mana don't encourage people to do DPS more, so it doesn't change anything.
The thing I was pointing was the SCH changes, the 1.0 to ARR was just backing it up.

[Jollyy5]

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Despite your numerous posts, I still can't tell if you are for or against healer DPS... If you approve of healer DPS, why are you arguing with all these people who approve of healer DPS as well?

I too have tried to "see your point" and I'm assuming that while you approve of healer DPS, you feel the game doesn't encourage healers to DPS while it actually does, but just doesn't do it very well (See posts about Hall of the Novice, solo quests, NPCs). It is unfortunate, but at least there are myriad players out there to do that for them.

Anyway, the point is that all of us who are for healer DPS are only asking people to do their ABCs (Always Be Casting ((something useful)), and I for one expect any average human being to be able to comply, but in case when I politely tell someone to not sit on their hands and deal some damage when healing isn't needed, and they tell me they can't because they only have one arm, I understand they have a disability and leave it at that, rare as they are.

And if someone can't DPS during that solid 10 seconds window when no damage is happening because they are "feeling anxious", FFXIV might not be the healthiest thing for them...