Enfeeble Spells and Seperating White and Black Mage.

[Jinrya-Geki]

There aren't any water-based attack spells, but conjurers do control water-based spells. The break down of elements are as follows:
CNJ: Water/Wind/Earth
THM: Fire/Ice/Lightning

Also, there are no paralyze/poison/silence/absorb/slow and there aren't any plans to implement them before the launch of version 2.0. However, as we move forward, if it becomes absolutely necessary to utilize them, we will look into it.

Making this thread in that hope of enough people we can do two things:

A.) Keep enfeeble spells in-game
B.) Seperate all DD spells, from Cjn/whm and give them Thm to make them more unique.

the enfeebles are used in combos, but some of them have a chance to proc. I rather have the spell with Dark Seal to make sure it goes off. Slow is a life-saver against Ifrit.

Like certain strategies used, you don't want too many people being hit to help out the white-mage. So Thm has now, should keep them to cast them at a safe distance.

They only way these procs can be useful is if they go off as easily and safe as the spells, otherwise what's the point of comboing, if you are gonna be animation locked and killed?
Copying some of my other post and pasting here:

It doesn't matter if they have a crappy damaging out, it cools if a Cjn/Whm wants to DD, but why are you going to waste MP on DDing, leave it to the Thm/Blm.

It also makes no sense they get that spell to use all there MP to deal damage to enemies around you. That clearly should be Thm/blm. Benediction should use all your MP to heal.

It makes no sense for the Whm to be able to heal all HP, and then use the rest of their mp to do some kind of mega nuke that binds. It's unfair.

[Felis]

It doesn't matter if they have a crappy damaging out, it cools if a Cjn/Whm wants to DD, but why are you going to waste MP on DDing, leave it to the Thm/Blm.

And what if there is no Thm/Blm? If you are solo on your way or only with an gladiator? What if you do the CNJ story quest and die everytime because you have no DD skill?

[Jinrya-Geki]

They could make new spells for Cjn/Whm that aren't elemental, or give them Holy and make that like Banish to them.

Because what happens when we run into a mob that is Fire, Lightning, or Ice? Crap I don't have Wind for that fire mobs, looks like the Cjn/Whm has to kill it, and they are the healer, but I can't heal, but they can dd and heal. So I guess I sit there and do nothing.

[Firon]

Dude WHM has had elemental spells in the FF games. Actually it's more proper for an BLM to have only FIRE, ICE, and THUNDER.

Also i'm sick of people crying over the enfeeb spells when no one was using them, simple and short story if you wanna put enfeebles on mobs learn to combo.

SE should really list an chart and show how often people actually use debuff spells in a fight cause i am pretty sure it's low

[Mieck]

Nothing to stop you using a few of your 10 cross-class slots to gain earth and wind spells for your THM/BLM. And besides, they're removing the class potency restriction. The only issue now is the level difference.

Players will no longer be bound by level restrictions when setting actions from other classes.
For instance, a level 1 pugilist will be able to set a level 30 gladiator action. However, the effectiveness of that action will be scaled down accordingly.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post441509

The inverse of that implies that at 50, a level 5 spell from CNJ will work a treat on your THM/BLM... and that particular class is getting the highest Magic Attack Potency.

So the issue isn't really what you're missing on your main class, but what you can use from other classes to compliment and extend your native skill set.

[Jinrya-Geki]

Dude WHM has had elemental spells in the FF games. Actually it's more proper for an BLM to have only FIRE, ICE, and THUNDER.

Also i'm sick of people crying over the enfeeb spells when no one was using them, simple and short story if you wanna put enfeebles on mobs learn to combo.

SE should really list an chart and show how often people actually use debuff spells in a fight cause i am pretty sure it's low

Wht FF was that?

Comboing isn't bad, but it's as safe as casting the spell is. And show me an enfeeble combo on that list of Thm/Blm.

[grandm]

so much to get through

so CON needs some offensive spells or it can't solo. we were told we will always have solo ability, class can be used to solo

debuff magic has not gone to blackmage because its going to another mage later on (my guess) if you give all the spell that we used to have to CON/WHM and THM/BLM you leave nothing for ???/???. in an ideal world when yoshi-p took over there would have been 3 mages and he could have made a debuff mage now with no wait. rarely is the world ideal, he used what he had to make what he could.

and your point about white mage having a super nuke, this is not out of place at all. infact it would have been out of place to not have this super nuke. "did somebody order HOLY"

[Felis]

THM Mag. 3 -> Gravity with ice damage

[Jinrya-Geki]

so much to get through

so CON needs some offensive spells or it can't solo. we were told we will always have solo ability, class can be used to solo

debuff magic has not gone to blackmage because its going to another mage later on (my guess) if you give all the spell that we used to have to CON/WHM and THM/BLM you leave nothing for ???/???. in an ideal world when yoshi-p took over there would have been 3 mages and he could have made a debuff mage now with no wait. rarely is the world ideal, he used what he had to make what he could.

and your point about white mage having a super nuke, this is not out of place at all. infact it would have been out of place to not have this super nuke. "did somebody order HOLY"

Cjn/whm should get it's own DD spells, so it doesn't gimp out Thm/Blm. Like I said they could, by example, get Holy as tier spells. Holy I II III IV etc. That All MP spell could be Mega Holy or something.

To me, that is rather unfair that:

Black mage loses half of it's spells at the expense of Cjn/Whm can DD solo.
The get that All Mp mega nuke.
Benediction.

If it can solo, then that means it is as powerful or equal to Thm/Blm. It's stated that Thm/Blm will have THE lowest health of all the classes. Cjn will have more HP than us so they could afford to take a hit or two.

Unless Black Mage hits like a truck, I don't see the fairness in this coming patch.

[Jinrya-Geki]

THM Mag. 3 -> Gravity with ice damage

Skadi, that isn't a combo. It's a spell. He said use DoTs as a combo.