Enfeeble Spells and Seperating White and Black Mage.

[grandm]

so much to get through

so CON needs some offensive spells or it can't solo. we were told we will always have solo ability, class can be used to solo

debuff magic has not gone to blackmage because its going to another mage later on (my guess) if you give all the spell that we used to have to CON/WHM and THM/BLM you leave nothing for ???/???. in an ideal world when yoshi-p took over there would have been 3 mages and he could have made a debuff mage now with no wait. rarely is the world ideal, he used what he had to make what he could.

and your point about white mage having a super nuke, this is not out of place at all. infact it would have been out of place to not have this super nuke. "did somebody order HOLY"

[Jinrya-Geki]

so much to get through

so CON needs some offensive spells or it can't solo. we were told we will always have solo ability, class can be used to solo

debuff magic has not gone to blackmage because its going to another mage later on (my guess) if you give all the spell that we used to have to CON/WHM and THM/BLM you leave nothing for ???/???. in an ideal world when yoshi-p took over there would have been 3 mages and he could have made a debuff mage now with no wait. rarely is the world ideal, he used what he had to make what he could.

and your point about white mage having a super nuke, this is not out of place at all. infact it would have been out of place to not have this super nuke. "did somebody order HOLY"

Cjn/whm should get it's own DD spells, so it doesn't gimp out Thm/Blm. Like I said they could, by example, get Holy as tier spells. Holy I II III IV etc. That All MP spell could be Mega Holy or something.

To me, that is rather unfair that:

Black mage loses half of it's spells at the expense of Cjn/Whm can DD solo.
The get that All Mp mega nuke.
Benediction.

If it can solo, then that means it is as powerful or equal to Thm/Blm. It's stated that Thm/Blm will have THE lowest health of all the classes. Cjn will have more HP than us so they could afford to take a hit or two.

Unless Black Mage hits like a truck, I don't see the fairness in this coming patch.

[grandm]

Cjn/whm should get it's own DD spells, so it doesn't gimp out Thm/Blm. Like I said they could, by example, get Holy as tier spells. Holy I II III IV etc. That All MP spell could be Mega Holy or something.

To me, that is rather unfair that:

Black mage loses half of it's spells at the expense of Cjn/Whm can DD solo.
The get that All Mp mega nuke.
Benediction.

If it can solo, then that means it is as powerful or equal to Thm/Blm. It's stated that Thm/Blm will have THE lowest health of all the classes. Cjn will have more HP than us so they could afford to take a hit or two.

Unless Black Mage hits like a truck, I don't see the fairness in this coming patch.

holy 1, 2, 3 etc would not work as they have just got rid of tier's

final fantasy one, black mage, fire ice lighting

as for thm losing out, i highly doubt it we have not had any numbers but, just a wild stab in the dark here CON - magic healing, THM - magic damage, don't ask me where i come up with these mad ideas, (i know there is no logic to a black mage getting high magic attack power and white mage getting high healing potency)

on a personl note i was planning on leveling THM so i can play blackmage i have no worries about it being gimped

[Jinrya-Geki]

holy 1, 2, 3 etc would not work as they have just got rid of tier's

final fantasy one, black mage, fire ice lighting

as for thm losing out, i highly doubt it we have not had any numbers but, just a wild stab in the dark here CON - magic healing, THM - magic damage, don't ask me where i come up with these mad ideas, (i know there is no logic to a black mage getting high magic attack power and white mage getting high healing potency)

on a personl note i was planning on leveling THM so i can play blackmage i have no worries about it being gimped

The tiers are going way, but I was using it as an example now while the tiers are still in. The could still use Holy like the other spells.

As for FF1, I have never played that one. I'll take your word for it. Didn't it have Ancient magic spells as well Like Quake, for Earth?

Did you read the abilities to Cjn/Whm, and then Thm/Blm? Cjn get a magic attack potency +20% with -20% healing potency. Thm gets... ranged increase ability... that has to be the biggest waste of an ability.

It's already gimp right now, have you even tried to DD Ifrit as a Thaumaturge the damage is laughable.

[Viridiana]

As for FF1, I have never played that one. I'll take your word for it. Didn't it have Ancient magic spells as well Like Quake, for Earth?

You could look it up. BLM in FFI did have Quake, yes, but it wasn't earth elemental and instead caused Death on all enemies. By the way, if you scroll down to near the bottom of the page, you'll see a series of links to a by-game "Magic List." Going through it, you won't find Quake as earth elemental until FFIII, which is the same game that gives Aero to WHM. That's the first appearance of Aero as a player-cast spell, too. Only three of the games with lists available actually give all six elements to BLM. . .

[Dreadnought]

You could look it up. BLM in FFI did have Quake, yes, but it wasn't earth elemental and instead caused Death on all enemies. By the way, if you scroll down to near the bottom of the page, you'll see a series of links to a by-game "Magic List." Going through it, you won't find Quake as earth elemental until FFIII, which is the same game that gives Aero to WHM. That's the first appearance of Aero as a player-cast spell, too. Only three of the games with lists available actually give all six elements to BLM. . .

its practically moot to argue that old FFs had specific ways of doing things anyway because they are single player games with the need of different mechanics

i dont see why WHM cant have light based nukes such as a couple holy nukes or banish nukes... wtf is the point of giving them anything else (for nukes)?

[Viridiana]

its practically moot to argue that old FFs had specific ways of doing things anyway because they are single player games with the need of different mechanics

i dont see why WHM cant have light based nukes such as a couple holy nukes or banish nukes... wtf is the point of giving them anything else (for nukes)?

Don't get me wrong, if I were in charge I'd've given CNJ Astral and maybe Umbral DD spells. What I'm saying, though, is that it's impossible to claim that Quake and Aero absolutely, positively must go to THM/BLM when you consider that the only elements that go to BLM every single time are Fire/Ice/Lightning. Hell, even Ultima apparently started out as being a WHM spell. . .

[grandm]

its practically moot to argue that old FFs had specific ways of doing things anyway because they are single player games with the need of different mechanics

i dont see why WHM cant have light based nukes such as a couple holy nukes or banish nukes... wtf is the point of giving them anything else (for nukes)?

just checking my crystal ball for you now, i see something

dev 1 "why give CON any elemental nukes, why not give them all holy nukes, and give all elemental nukes to THM?"
dev 2 " well we could do that but, we only have 15 abilities per class. and to give THM all 6 would restrict what else we could give it"
dev 1 "ah yes, but what if THM users complain they want wind or earth based nukes for certain mobs?"
dev 2 "well all they need to do is use up 2 of the 10 slots allocated for cross class abilities"
dev 1 "oh i see, sounds like you know what your doing, but you do know some ppl will be very upset at these changes"
dev 2 " ppl get up set at everything let the little tro--------

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