What are the most common reasons people don't dps?

[Tridus]

BTW Tridus, I do hope you contribute to something arround 85% healer DPS in savage before telling you have to work to cover my incompetence. But I'm sure it's the case given how confident you are.

Unlikely. I have no idea who you are or how good you are, and I'm not that good. Hell, I posted by Rabanastre logs earlier in this thread, so feel free to bash away. But you asked what's fun about playing a game like a work place, and I answered. I deal with people who stand around doing nothing instead of working at work because I have to. I don't have to deal with it in my free time.

People say "treating the game like a job" as if the problem with the game is trying. It's not. The problem, just like in an office, is the people who don't try and want other people to do it for them. If you care about clearing the encounter enough to be actively trying to win it, then you'll get no grief from me.

[Tridus]

Your work sounds like my work! Cleaning up other people's messes when you're out sick is so much fun. /sarcasm

Every work over a certain size, lol! Today I got a ticket come to me because someone couldn't get permissions assigned on a network share. I'm a software developer. There's an entire support desk for that. Six people had looked at it and couldn't figure out what to do, so it still got to me.

I mean, WTF? Apparently nobody involved decided to remote into the computer in question and look at the problem directly.

At the end of the day, people either care, or they don't. You can tell which is which by the effort invested.

[Avatre]

At the end of the day, people either care, or they don't. You can tell which is which by the effort invested.

Worst part is when it managerial level that "knows" what to do...but severely screws things up causing what should have been a 30min job turning into a 3 hours job.

[Vyriah]

Unlikely. I have no idea who you are or how good you are, and I'm not that good. Hell, I posted by Rabanastre logs earlier in this thread, so feel free to bash away. But you asked what's fun about playing a game like a work place, and I answered. I deal with people who stand around doing nothing instead of working at work because I have to. I don't have to deal with it in my free time.

People say "treating the game like a job" as if the problem with the game is trying. It's not. The problem, just like in an office, is the people who don't try and want other people to do it for them. If you care about clearing the encounter enough to be actively trying to win it, then you'll get no grief from me.

I does look like you're talking more about your workplace than about the game.


What I said was satiric, obviosuly. "You play the game play it's your work" is a recurrent jab at MMORPG.
And people say exactly because the reaction you just had there. The game isn't about efficiency, that's a goal player set for themselves. I'm not telling you to go do 2k3 DPS on savage content. But If you want to threat my answers as "excuse for incompetent" you should before set yourself the same expectations I did when I started doing savage this patch with no guide on how new SCH worked, no static, no parser and managed to pull off 1k8 DPS week 2. It's not something impossible to reach, I have a lot of attention troubles (I pull off 500 DPS on Shinryu with AST, because, I couldn't even focus on the fight with SCH, because I took extra care of the mechanic). I'm sadly not a unicorn.

So then, let players struggle with the content without assuming they're lazy. Or even worth, that tey're incompetent. I'm sincerly sorry for you if your workplace is toxic, it's a real disase of our age. But there's no need to bring that attitude into the game.
Because even if a lazy player would slip in the middle of those healers just to take it easy on your behalf, random name calling is not gonna hinder them. It's gonna hinder those that tried and failled. They're not just to recieve spite from someone just a little above them.

If you really think they could if they try, then let them try by themselves. This is how the community grows, not by calling them incompetent.

[Estelle9lives]

I decided to do a run of Skalla as a SCH just to see how low the healing requirements were. If the 18% Xelphatol was too high, here is a 9% total active time Skalla. Mind you, the tank in this run wasn't really using Rampart or TBN, so I'm sure if tried to cherry pick a run I could have gotten closer to the 5% mark, but I didn't want to keep being a burden to random people (I'd like to apologize to the people in this run too, someone even gave me a comm...).

I'm not sure what argument is there to be had. Healing requirements in FFXIV are low, and being a good player regardless of your role means contributing to damage. Of course healing is and should be a priority to all healer players, but there is no way of saying you're not standing around/being carried if you choose not to DPS.

[Vyriah]

If the 18% Xelphatol was too high

Less than 18% active healing time.

I used to clear all Xelphatol without pressing more that 3 heal boutton and it was my first ever expert dungeon in that game. Talk about missing the point.
Also I'm sure screen like that breaks ToS, last thread that tried that stunt got nuked.

[Estelle9lives]

Less than 18% active healing time.

I used to clear all Xelphatol without pressing more that 3 heal boutton and it was my first ever expert dungeon in that game. Talk about missing the point.
Also I'm sure screen like that breaks ToS, last thread that tried that stunt got nuked.

I'm not trying to show you active healing time, "my dear".

I'm trying to show you exactly how many buttons presses ar necessary in casual content, where you mostly find healers that do no damage, in which the last boss of this dungeon require you to cast absolutely no globals on healing spells. I'm not sure why you're still trying to defend this point considering you do high end content in this game. It's basically a take it or leave it design choice at this point.

EDIT: Can't seem to be able to find the Xelphatol log for a CPM comparison and I was mistaken thinking they had 18% full active time, but the point still stands. Healing requirements in casual content doesn't require you to be active more than 5-10% of the time.

[Vyriah]

Oh missread, sorry.
Though you would went the trouble to do a dungeon without doing any DPS and it made no sense at all.


But I'm not sure where you're trying to get at. Casual content is also the place where you find casual. You know, player that don't play about efficience, that don't use parse or anything like that and won't certainly don't know about this discussion anyway. Have you tried doing comparision between The Vault and Bardam, for exemple ? Both of them have high healing requierement, but one of them have a DPS check. It wouldn't be surprising that heal DPS is actually higher in general on the Vault. Same for any dungeon with demon wall boss, as they're know for being damage races in FF games overall.

Higher healing requirement isn't a good solution, especially if targeted at high geared and high experienced players. And it will bother tank first anyway.
I think the flaw in your reasoning is that you think that it's obvious to keep the hoghest uptime, but most player won't do it if they're not encouraged to it. Because players always naturaly take the most simple course of action. That's why caster's ABC exist in the first place, because if you want to more damage in limited amount fo time, the best and most simple solution is to use as much spells as possible.

See, way of making healer DPS without telling them they're wrong not to do it #50 : make it time limited in a threatning way. It doesn't even need to be higher than the current low DPS requierement, actually. You just need to say it is.

EDIT: Can't seem to be able to find the Xelphatol log for a CPM comparison and I was mistaken thinking they had 18% full active time, but the point still stands. Healing requirements in casual content doesn't require you to be active more than 5-10% of the time.

It would exactly need the time to cast barrier, summon Selene and press CS. So arround 7 seconds.

[Alisi]

The RDM who raised you, twice no less is the real unicorn here .

Oh, I see. Perhaps you should point out your point instead of assuming everyone uses parsers and knows what they're looking at? I don't run with parsers. Obviously. You missed the ball with one of my Ex runs. A RDM raised 12 times. I never said they never did it. That's why I said 99.9% silly.

Also, if you are fine being a "forum princess healer", why are you taking part in this discussion anymore?

I'm spreading love and life and joy, hun. I can't stop now with my princessly duties.

Inb4 being called an elitist, forum bully, or troll

You would have a point if content was designed with healer DPS in mind. If healer DPS was something more than just a party bonus or something to make up for a lazy DPS. Because that's what healer DPS is. There is NO fight where healer DPS is balanced around. The devs have said that over and over again. And I'm not advocating for healers not to DPS. Why do you assume because I don't like people heaping abuse on others that I'm somehow advocating for healers to not DPS. JFC! I'd advocating honesty and not abuse. When you bully people to do your play style and there's no actual game reason why they need to do that (like a tank needs to tank in order to do his job), then you are a bully. I'm sorry to break this to you. At least be honest with yourself.[/B]

[HoodRat]

You would have a point if content was designed with healer DPS in mind. If healer DPS was something more than just a party bonus or something to make up for a lazy DPS. Because that's what healer DPS is. There is NO fight where healer DPS is balanced around. The devs have said that over and over again. And I'm not advocating for healers not to DPS. Why do you assume because I don't likepeople heaping abuse on others that I'm somehow advocating for healers to not DPS. JFC! I'd advocating honesty and not abuse. When you bully people to do your play style and there's no actual game reason why they need to do that (like a tank needs to tank in order to do his job), then you are a bully. I'm sorry to break this to you. At least be honest with yourself.[/B]

I find it funny that people always bring up how fights weren't designed for healers to dps, but they conveniently say nothing about how fights weren't designed for healers to spam heals on people at full hp or stand idle for extended periods of time. Everyone wants to quote Yoshida when he said he didn't want healers to feel forced into dps, but for some reason they never quote him saying healers should spend their free time overhealing or doing absolutely nothing at all.