What are the most common reasons people don't dps?

[RopeDrink]

Let's be honest. While I'd have no problem with a healing-req increase in general, just look at the situation we're in now while things are supposedly 'easy'. I don't mean to say that as a blanket-insult to Healer-Players of a delicate persuasion, but if it's so hard to throw out a little damage once in a blue-moon when we only need to heal one-third of the time, I'd be curious to see how things go if you're healing 3/4 of the time and only have small opportunity windows for anything else, especially for those of a progressive mindset seeing as Healer DPS is very much a thing there.

I can see how that would sully the Healer-Not-DPS problem and make it less noticeable, though I doubt it is the best option (which isn't implying I have any alternatives in mind).

[Vyriah]

poof !

We had 30 pages if "if they want they can" but we talk about healing and suddenly, poof, they can't anymore. Too difficult.
But then, if healing is that diffcult that you can imagine healer doing DPS to contribute but can't imagine them healing more if that's what is requiered to clear the content, then they're right not doing DPS.
CQFD.

Way to dig your own grave, uh.

[SilentVoice]

We had 30 pages if "if they want they can" but we talk about healing and suddenly, poof, they can't anymore. Too difficult.
Bu then, if healing is that diffcult that you imagine healer doing DPS to contribute but can't imagine them healing more if that's what is requiered to clear to content, then they're right not doing DPS.
CQFD.

Way to dig your own grave, uh.

we had 1 page of question "why" and answer to that ,and then it ended up with a rant that healers who don't dps are a problem/people who force healers to dps are a problem for another 30 pages

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

How about we take this opportunity to allow those who are so adamant against healer DPS to elaborate their decision that's not completely egotistical. Those who are for have clearly explained themself. To sum it up: Efficiency, equal effort, to become a better player, and to an extend to be social as you save everyone some time (reflect back to efficiency).

So do tell us why a healer shouldn't DPS? Remember; elaborate and not egotistical. So no "I pay my own sub" or "Not my job" kind of shenanigans. I suppose no "devs designed it this way" reasons either as the opposite has been proven multiple times already.

[VanilleFang]

What's fun about playing a video game like it's your work place ?

That's answering a question with a question. And that question is kind of a strawman...

Literally no one has said you should treat it like a work place or anything of that nature. The only thing people have said is that if you are a healer you should at least be useful to your team. Sure you can cast cure every 6 seconds but... that's not only incredibly wasteful but it's also ignoring 90% of your kit. I can't think of any conceivable way that you can play a healer in this game and not have ample downtime between healing. Like has been asked many, many times before is why do healers feel like it's okay for them to just stand around for large amounts of times but don't think it's okay for tanks to do the same. And why should BRDs/MCH use Refresh or Tactician?

Also, standing around is not strategic in any way. The battles in this game are majority scripted and standing around "paying attention to what is happening" can be accomplished while casting a Stone.

The "fun" comes from trying to optimize your damage while using the best healing tool for the given situation. If I don't DPS then all I have to do is cast Cure II.

[Tridus]

What's fun about playing a video game like it's your work place ?

Nothing. Which is why I prefer not to deal with people who are incompetent and try to argue their way into doing as little as possible, thus creating more work for me to get things done.

[Sebazy]

We had 30 pages if "if they want they can" but we talk about healing and suddenly, poof, they can't anymore. Too difficult.
Bu then, if healing is that diffcult that you imagine healer doing DPS to contribute but can't imagine them healing more if that's what is requiered to clear to content, then they're right not doing DPS.
CQFD.

Way to dig your own grave, uh.

I get the impression you've missed Rope's point?

Think about this for a moment, if mainstream content's healing requirement got dialled up to the level where it could stretch me, how is 'little casual Timmy' going to cope with healing something that requires a 80-90%+ active rate just to keep the party alive?

SE really have designed themselves into a corner at the moment.

[RopeDrink]

Way to dig your own grave, uh.

Er, what? Being curious as to how the community viewpoint would shift if healing was made more demanding equates to digging my own grave, now? I've read your post three times and I can't make head nor tail out of it, so I'll assume you missed the point.

EDIT: Sebazy beat me to it.

I get the impression you've missed Rope's point?
Think about this for a moment, if mainstream content's healing requirement got dialled up to the level where it could stretch me, how is 'little casual Timmy' going to cope with healing something that requires ~22CPM and a 90%+ active rate just to keep the party alive?
SE really have designed themselves into a corner at the moment.

[Avatre]

Nothing. Which is why I prefer not to deal with people who are incompetent and try to argue their way into doing as little as possible, thus creating more work for me to get things done.

Your work sounds like my work! Cleaning up other people's messes when you're out sick is so much fun. /sarcasm

[Vyriah]

I get the impression you've missed Rope's point?

Think about this for a moment, if mainstream content's healing requirement got dialled up to the level where it could stretch me, how is 'little casual Timmy' going to cope with healing something that requires a 80-90%+ active rate just to keep the party alive?

SE really have designed themselves into a corner at the moment.

90% uptime of pressing the same skill isn't much different to 10% uptime pressing the same skill.
If you just up the damage mobs do you would just find yourself doing Cure 2/Benefic 2/CryingInCornerBecauseYou'reSCH 2 and people would effectively not stand arround doing nothing anymore, though they'll stand arround doing the same thing all the time. Everyone would actually, wich would be boring. And that's why it's a bad solution.
Nothing about little casual timmy.

My post wasn't supposed to be taken at face value. It was an absurd reasoning about the fact that if someone can't be held responsible for pressing one boutton all the time, they can be held responsible to press to two boutton on two different targets. Just absurd reasoning. Not the best but I'm not paid for that anyway.
What I'm trying to underline is the same thing : most of this "debate" revolve arround name calling. Things like lazy. Healer princess. Or, maybe, "incompetent".

I'm still standing of what I said earlier : weak sustained healing to build up to burst healing that ties DPS and healing together instead of making them seperate part of a same job. It's a win-win-win situation as low level sustain healing is easier (as being mana hungry isn't needed if you balance it with secondary ressources), high level healing need more mangement for better pay off wich makes the classes more interesting to play and DPS beeing more intuitive will also be more frequent.
I'm not sure what's wrong with that.

BTW Tridus, I do hope you contribute to something arround 85% healer DPS in savage before telling you have to work to cover my incompetence. But I'm sure it's the case given how confident you are.