Just played Final Fantasy XI

[Clover_Blake]

It's not fair at all to claim that you dislike "old-school MMOs" with their grinds, and then brush everyone who speaks fondly of XI as simply having rose-tinted glasses. You have a strong bias, and it's quite dismissive of both the game and players.

The same bias as people who keep claiming that FFXI was "better" than FFXIV, or that FFXIV "should learn" from FFXI, merely based on their own good memories. And I don't see you complain about those.

[Skivvy]

The same bias as people who keep claiming that FFXI was "better" than FFXIV, or that FFXIV "should learn" from FFXI, merely based on their own good memories. And I don't see you complain about those.

Everyone is welcome to have an opinion. This is why I also posted:

I think this is an important thing to remember. It is an incredibly different game, and of course everyone has their own particular taste when it comes to games. It is also possible to enjoy both, and also find faults in both :X

You dislike grindy games, and you've never even played XI. That is perfectly fine.

What irks me is when people start dismissing other's opinions as them simply having rose-tinted glasses. It adds another level when it's coming from someone who has never even tried the game.

[Clover_Blake]

What irks me is when people start dismissing other's opinions as them simply having rose-tinted glasses. It adds another level when it's coming from someone who has never even tried the game.

Ironically, the rose-tinted glasses comment came from someone who happened to have played the game, who I was fully agreeing with. And I'm fully agreeing because, while I might not have played FFXI itself, I did play -or rather, suffered- other games that were the exact same level (Ragnarok Online and Lineage II). I have experienced the same things people are commenting in this thread about FFXI. I've always been very bitter about old school MMORPGs for all those reasons. So when I see people talking about how "superior" all those things were compared with the current system we have, I naturally will have something to say, and I believe that I have the same right as everyone else to state my opinion on the matter without anyone pulling the victim card on me, especially when the people who are being dismissive (as you call it) about the way FFXIV is only get a pat in the back from you.

[Skivvy]

Ironically, the rose-tinted glasses comment came from someone who happened to have played the game, who I was fully agreeing with. And I'm fully agreeing because, while I might not have played FFXI itself, I did play -or rather, suffered- other games that were the exact same level (Ragnarok Online and Lineage II). I have experienced the same things people are commenting in this thread about FFXI. I've always been very bitter about old school MMORPGs for all those reasons. So when I see people talking about how "superior" all those things were compared with the current system we have, I naturally will have something to say, and I believe that I have the same right as everyone else to state my opinion on the matter without anyone pulling the victim card on me, especially when the people who are being dismissive (as you call it) about the way FFXIV is only get a pat in the back from you.

There is a difference between saying "I dislike MMOs like XI due to <reasons>" and claiming that people must only like the game due to looking at it with rose-tinted glasses. One is giving your opinion, one is discrediting the opinion of others. It may be a fine difference, but it's there.

If someone says they think <random feature> from XI is loads better than XIV, sure, debate that. It's not hard to have a conversation with people of varying opinions without just shutting down their voice as invalid.

Also, who is pulling the victim card?

[Clover_Blake]

There is a difference between saying "I dislike MMOs like XI due to <reasons>" and claiming that people must only like the game due to looking at it with rose-tinted glasses. One is giving your opinion, one is discrediting and the opinion of others. It may be a fine difference, but it's there.

With comments like these all over the place:

Yes, FFXI is still a far better game.

You seem to be nitpicking here. Very sensitive and offended about the words from one side, yet oddly understanding and uncaring about the other's.

In any case, let's not derail from the matter. My comment was aimed at the comparison between the way both games are played. At the claim that FFXI is better or more entertaining than FFXIV/modern games in general, I say that FFXI -like most old school MMORPGs- has core systems that are not generally considered fun or rewarding (unless you simply enjoy the "challenge" of being constantly punished or having your time wasted), and I see quite a few old players in this thread that seem to agree. MMORPGs have evolved for a reason.

[ManuelBravo]

With comments like these all over the place:

You seem to be nitpicking here. Very sensitive and offended about the words from one side, yet oddly understanding and uncaring about the other's.

In any case, let's not derail from the matter. My comment was aimed at the comparison between the way both games are played. At the claim that FFXI is better or more entertaining than FFXIV/modern games in general, I say that FFXI -like most old school MMORPGs- has core systems that are not generally considered fun or rewarding (unless you simply enjoy the "challenge" of being constantly punished or having your time wasted), and I see quite a few old players in this thread that seem to agree. MMORPGs have evolved for a reason.

Your right MMORPGs have evolved, they are more designed for the cupcake / snowflake / here is a trophy for trying generation.

[silverlunarfox]

Your right MMORPGs have evolved, they are more designed for the cupcake / snowflake / here is a trophy for trying generation.

*snort* please...

The game has evolved so more people can play it (i.e. buy it).

[alimdia]

Your right MMORPGs have evolved, they are more designed for the cupcake / snowflake / here is a trophy for trying generation.

Since we're all playing and enjoying this game, I'm curious if you're trying to insult everyone in this thread with those names.

[Skivvy]

With comments like these all over the place:

You seem to be nitpicking here. Very sensitive and offended about the words from one side, yet oddly understanding and uncaring about the other's.

What you quoted is an opinion, and as I said, you are more than welcome to share your own.

I don't care if people hate XI. Makes absolutely no difference to me at all. What I don't like is people who can't seem to have normal conversions without twisting words or just writing off an opinion they don't agree with using some frivolous excuse.

Please show me where I've been sensitive or offended over someone saying they don't like XI. Please. Because at this point you're just making things up.