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  1. #131
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    Ametrine's Avatar
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    Diantha Sunstone
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    I swear, sometimes I read what you all say about XI and I just can't imagine how you could stand it.

    Yes, FFXIV content becomes -generally-
    irrelevant in a few months, but expecting players to spend literal months grinding for a pair of boots is so far on the other end of the "relevancy" spectrum it simply wouldn't be feasible to the general (keyword here) FFXIV audience. Most of the player base would never bother to try.
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  2. #132
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    Squires Ailith
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ametrine View Post
    I swear, sometimes I read what you all say about XI and I just can't imagine how you could stand it.

    Yes, FFXIV content becomes -generally-
    irrelevant in a few months, but expecting players to spend literal months grinding for a pair of boots is so far on the other end of the "relevancy" spectrum it simply wouldn't be feasible to the general (keyword here) FFXIV audience. Most of the player base would never bother to try.

    gear wasn't made obsolete every 3-6 months like in XIV, which made it worth it. You also could swap gear while in combat which made pieces useful later. There was a variety activities to do in XI which kept it from getting stale. XIV you have raids or tome grind.
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  3. #133
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    Lodestone Bait
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brill_ View Post
    XIV you have raids or tome grind.
    With "Tome grind" encompassing a multitude of content from dungeons over raids, hunts and PvP to minor amounts in treasure maps and beast tribe quests. PotD used to be an additional option as well.

    Tome grinding is one of the most diverse activities in this game. Some options just lack in efficiency compared to others.
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  4. #134
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    Squintina Nightgard
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    Well if the issue is the formula I suppose they could change it up.
    Maybe next time instead of getting the same token over and over, you have to farm 4 tokens and you use different combinations to turn it into something else.
    Maybe next time they put all the tokens into achievements tied to the patch content .
    Maybe next time they still give boring content, but instead of redeeming it for gear, you redeem it for entry to a solo dungeon where you can win said gear (like a solo Aquapolis?)

    Wouldn't amount to much of a difference as far as getting you to do the instances over and over again, you'd still be grinding, but the reward mechanism would be slightly different.
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  5. #135
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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khel View Post
    They tried a new solo trial of high difficulty during early access, people were not pleased.
    I still remember the closed beta solo trial against the Ascian and his pet. That poison was no joke ._.
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  6. #136
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    Tymora Estrellauta
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    Wish they would do something unique to this game...
    You know...like...

    JOB CHANGE IN DUNGEONS!

    Oh the horror, the terror of needing to level up multiple jobs.
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  7. #137
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    Wynne Yilmaz
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    Quote Originally Posted by tymora View Post
    snip
    Here's an example of what can happen:

    Person 1 uses Healer's fast queue time to quickly enter a leveling dungeon. Let's say Doma Castle or Castrum Abania.
    Person 1 now switches to the DPS they want to level up.
    The Group now has no Healer, and the other 3 party members do not have a healer with the minimum level required for the dungeon.
    Since Person 1 doesn't want to switch back to their Healer, the party cannot complete the dungeon.

    What do you propose to prevent this example from happening?
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    Last edited by magnanimousCynic; 01-11-2018 at 01:45 PM.
    I was the Almighty Enkidu for April Fools 2017.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beckett View Post
    To be fair, it's not so much a flame war as it's 12 pages of people agreeing the OP is an idiot.

  8. #138
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    J'talhdi Belhi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brill_ View Post
    gear wasn't made obsolete every 3-6 months like in XIV, which made it worth it. You also could swap gear while in combat which made pieces useful later. There was a variety activities to do in XI which kept it from getting stale. XIV you have raids or tome grind.
    Swaping Gear in Combat sound both kind of dumb and also a inventory nightmare.
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  9. #139
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    Avatre Drakone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brill_ View Post
    gear wasn't made obsolete every 3-6 months like in XIV, which made it worth it. You also could swap gear while in combat which made pieces useful later. There was a variety activities to do in XI which kept it from getting stale. XIV you have raids or tome grind.
    Well, if I remember correctly, come 4.2(or 4.25, can't remember which it was said to be), Eureka will be released, and we will have Relic Gear in addition to Relic Weapons. So...don't think they gears will be obsolete quite as quickly. Will likely require a fair bit more work to keep them current, but I doubt they will be useless as quickly as most other gears we have.
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  10. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by tymora View Post
    JOB CHANGE IN DUNGEONS!
    1.0 had something like this and people hated it.

    Quote Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic View Post
    What do you propose to prevent this example from happening?
    make every dungeon so easy all trash mobs die to Triple Cast Flares so you don't need to heal and every player that doesn't have BLM level gets vote kicked instantly. it would be the best game (NOT).

    it is a ridiculously terrible idea and i have every single job leveled.
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