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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    I agree that a failure at enrage is ultimately due to lack of damage going out. But does it necessarily mean it’s the fault of the DPS? If the healers aren’t handling the raidwide damage properly, using shields and etc and the DPS die, is it still their fault? Or if the tanks mess up the tankswaps or don’t use CDs? However, there are times that your statement about poor DPS play is true. I have no ability to quantify that however.



    I get the outrage and I’m glad this post was not as hostile, thank you. I have been a healer and support main going back to FFXI and 2003. In XIV, I have been a healer or tank main forever. I get the challenge, I like it. I wouldn’t play those roles if I didn’t.



    I’m the opposite, I like healing and tanking more than DPSing at endgame, by like a lot. When I do EX primals with friends, I want to heal or tank. I don’t want to DPS. Most people who tank or heal actually wanted to play those roles. For me, PLD, AST and WHM are my main three (3) jobs. I only get on BRD or RDM when I let someone else have a turn healing or tanking.



    I think the lack of players wanting to be tanks or healers is from a lack of being looked at as being powerful. That they aren’t the killers of the monsters and evil things, the DPS do that. The DPS even get the LB as their personal toy.

    Think of a champion in most fantasy games. Think of all the main characters in Final Fantasy games, I’m going to guess that the healer tending the wounds of the sick is not that image. But that is what people see healers as to a point.

    Simply put, tanks and healers just aren’t seen as “sexy”. No, the added visibility doesn’t help their cause, but it has a lot of company.
    Nice post, and yeah it should be noted healers and tanks can cause problems for the DPS, even as simply thing as positioning. In all honestly tanks and healers don't have to do much to pass a run, its the good ones that do, and good dps have the same weight they put on themselves. Some people just put too much pressure on themselves and think some class has higher expectations then another and sorta "fear it" even on these boards I seen a few posts in regards to that.

    At the end of the day, most levels like 1-40? tanks can't cause wipes, only healers and dps can. A DPS causes wipes in those levels if the tank does huge pulls and does not really do anything, causing the healer to be overwhelmed or running out of mp. Higher levels tanks can cause wipes by making huge pulls and not bother to use a CD or make sure things are hit by flash, etc.

    At the end of the day people in general finger point blame more often then admitting they caused the issue. At first glance it may be hard to believe a DPS died because it was the DPS fault. *insert people died, healer fault meme*

    RichardButte, you seem to have some bias and keep repeating the same things over and over. I really feel these comments would been better placed in threads with subjects of why we need better teaching tools in the game for players. This thread is nothing more then taking a servery on how people feel about parsing. So when you are taking your comments from other threads and putting them here, it is easy to see why people may not understand where you are coming from, like how you misunderstood Istaru's sarcasm.
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    Last edited by Vstarstruck; 01-11-2018 at 04:56 AM.