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  1. #151
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    Alisi's Avatar
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    Tempest Deep
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    Twintania
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    Red Mage says hello. I've done it when a healer disconnected or died in stuff where I had Vercure but not Verraise.
    Good for you. Have a cookie. RDM is the only class that can really do that though. There was this SMN in Raba who was healing with physick instead of rezing the healers. LOOL. There was a RDM and two SMNs in that party. Had to beg a rez from another alliance. But he was helping the group with a healing spell. Yay. IDC if DPS heals. What I do care about is DPS who can rez but never do. That's my sticking issue. It's one of the reasons why I'll never truly care about healers not DPSing. I'm supposed to do two jobs and I can't even get a freakin' rez from one of the DPS. Maybe if this philosophy of doing what's right for the party was evenly spread to the other party roles then I might find my give-a-damn isn't so broken anymore.
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  2. #152
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    SilentVoice's Avatar
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    Aluvian Darkstar
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    Twintania
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    Samurai Lv 80
    I will DPS when i can and as much as i can, because i hate standing and doing nothing, unless i am in a practice group for some hard ass content as first timer, just because i need to learn boss rotation and memorize my heal and dps windows.
    BUT! I will slap into face and blacklist anyone, who will complain about HOW MUCH i DPS. if they have a problem with me doing less dps than some other healers they know - they go ahead and play with those exclusively
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  3. #153
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    Tridus's Avatar
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    Cecelia Stormfeather
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    Cactuar
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Myrhn View Post
    im doing my job, im healing. DPS for a healer should be the last thing as it is a Raise coming from a smn or cure coming from a rdm. Sure they happen and is appreciated but thats it, is not mandatory.
    By that logic, AoE isn't mandatory. I'm spamming Blizzard, I'm doing my job.

    People should do what they can to help the group clear content, not do as little as they can get away with and claim that more "isn't mandatory".
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  4. #154
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    Maku Haikasu
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    Mateus
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    There are three main reasons people don't DPS as a healer and two of them are totally acceptable:

    1) Healer is new and nervous about the giant burst of damage that come in and doesn't want to not be able to cast a cure when they need. This is acceptable.
    2) Tanks are undergeared and overpulling and even experienced healers have trouble keeping them alive. This is also acceptable.
    3) Lazy, "I am a healer and shouldn't have to do anything else" mentality. This is unacceptable but frequent.
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  5. #155
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    Suzuka196's Avatar
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    Minty Mints
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    Brynhildr
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    White Mage Lv 52
    funnily enough, my biggest issue ive noticed, aurum vale, i seem to always get greedy warriors
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  6. #156
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    Myrhn Shirayuki
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    Hyperion
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    By that logic, AoE isn't mandatory. I'm spamming Blizzard, I'm doing my job.

    People should do what they can to help the group clear content, not do as little as they can get away with and claim that more "isn't mandatory".
    By that logic a good healer is also one that only use cure1 even when AoE dmg is happening. See how much sense that make?

    My job is healing, if i heal to little ppl will start dying. Your job, as a DPS, is doing dmg if u do little dmg we can hit enrage and wipe.
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  7. #157
    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    Moro Murasaki
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    Zalera
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Myrhn View Post
    By that logic a good healer is also one that only use cure1 even when AoE dmg is happening. See how much sense that make?

    My job is healing, if i heal to little ppl will start dying. Your job, as a DPS, is doing dmg if u do little dmg we can hit enrage and wipe.
    In the vast majority of content there is no enrage. No enrage means a dps just needs to be doing damage. Auto-attacks are damage. Auto-attacks are sufficent to fill the role of dps.

    That is an incredibly stupid outlook to have. Let's compare...

    In the vast majority of content Flash or the equivalent AoE threat skill is enough to hold threat. Tanks just need to hold threat. Tanks can spam one ability and do their job.

    Look at that! Just as stupid. Let's continue...

    In the vast majority of content you can heal while watching netflix by just pressing Cure II/the equivalent and occasionally your AoE heal. Therefor healers can idle (for all I know literally watching netflix with the crappy tank and dps from above examples) and occasionally press a heal button and this is doing their job.

    All of that logic is dumb. Equally dumb. All of those players are bad. They all drag down their groups. They're all a pain to play with. They're all indefensible.
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  8. #158
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    Tridus's Avatar
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    Cecelia Stormfeather
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    Cactuar
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Myrhn View Post
    By that logic a good healer is also one that only use cure1 even when AoE dmg is happening. See how much sense that make?
    It makes exactly as much sense as claiming that you standing around doing nothing is acceptable instead of using your DPS skills because you're a healer.

    My job is healing, if i heal to little ppl will start dying. Your job, as a DPS, is doing dmg if u do little dmg we can hit enrage and wipe.
    Anytime people aren't yet geared up for content with enrages (ie: when it's new), healer DPS is extremely helpful in avoiding those enrages. If you don't bother doing damage because "it's not my job", you're also helping to cause enrages. There's virtually no fights in the game where you don't have time to DPS safely.

    Ever heard of being a team player? It means you use all your abilities as you're able to help the group. Every single person in the group has that same criteria for being a good group member, no matter what role they are. The only difference between healers and the other roles is that healers have this subset of people with the mentality that it it doesn't apply to them. No DPS player will defend someone who decides to spam Blizzard instead of AoEing because they want to be an Ice Mage, and no tank players will defend someone who decides to spam Flash and never use cooldowns because "my job is only to hold aggro".

    Healers have DPS skills. They are there to be used as time allows.
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  9. #159
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    Sylvin Mhana
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    Phoenix
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    Bard Lv 72
    Sure, if there is time i would do dmg as a healer. But.... i don't understand why i should do dmg only because some DD don't do there job right. May it be because of brain-afk, little experience, no clue about there class etc. It's not the job of the healer to compensate for others. You can't force it. It wouldn't be fair. There are people who play healer because they want to heal, there are people who play DD because they too don't want to heal or tank. So why is it not possible to only heal, if there is enough to heal?

    Its not meant to be a provocation, only a question.
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  10. #160
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    Shinobu Yomi
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    Shiva
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    Black Mage Lv 88
    Quote Originally Posted by Sanako View Post
    So why is it not possible to only heal, if there is enough to heal?
    I think everyone agrees that a healers priority is to heal. So if the tank / the team eats tons of damage, stop dpsing and heal. However, this doesn't mean that the tank needs 100% health all the time. He needs at least 1 hp. So if the tank never drops beneath ~70/80%, what happens quite often in 4man dungeon runs, why would you heal him all the time? In this situation your contribution to the team would be higher if you started dpsing instead of healing.

    And regardless of the job we play, our job is to clear the content with the best of our abilites.
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