Just realized something: FFXIV is a terrible DPS player's DREAM come true...

[Gleipni]

Its true that without a 3rd party thingy ,DD are just in a paradise,they can do shit,no one can really see it,and if you do,they will report you for having a parse.

[Krotoan]

I think one of the bigger problems is the in game training was made for ARR. With people blowing through it now they don't get to experience any of the ilvl mechanic and DPS gates that used to be a problem. Believe it or not, Titan was a DPS check at one time.

[Gleipni]

I think one of the bigger problems is the in game training was made for ARR. With people blowing through it now they don't get to experience any of the ilvl mechanic and DPS gates that used to be a problem. Believe it or not, Titan was a DPS check at one time.

I know,i remember that titan ex very well,even one of my best time.

[Tint]

I know,i remember that titan ex very well,even one of my best time.

i am pretty sure Krotoan was talking about Titan hm. yes, the three hm primals were endgame back in 2.0 and people wiped for months on them.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...M-Titan-Fight? good old times ^^

[Krotoan]

i am pretty sure Krotoan was talking about Titan hm. yes, the three hm primals were endgame back in 2.0 and people wiped for months on them.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...M-Titan-Fight? good old times ^^

=] Yep. HM is story mode, so people HAD to beat it.. Dat heart..

[Miracle_Diva]

Actually as long as I play this game, I have never seen anyone being harassed for low dps. I only see people claiming they were harassed with no proof. If someone told you that you need to improve your rotation and grow some deeps - this I not harassment.
This game NEEDS parsers. Players need the tool to improve their gameplay even if they don't do savage.
This is a teamplay game and If you don't try your best or think it's fine, someone else will carry you - it doesn't look like a team player to me.
You don't blame guns for killing people, don't blame parsers for people being rude jerks in general.

[akaneakki]

Actually as long as I play this game, I have never seen anyone being harassed for low dps. I only see people claiming they were harassed with no proof. If someone told you that you need to improve your rotation and grow some deeps - this I not harassment.

Problem, people do say it is harassment. And same here, yet to see proof.

[KaivaC]

This game NEEDS parsers. Players need the tool to improve their gameplay even if they don't do savage.

I am an advocate of parsers, but before that, the game needs a better way of teaching players how to actually play their jobs before they hit 70. Actually, they need a Hall of Novice at 50 and 60, if I'm being honest. Job-specific, at that. It does a player no good to do a job quest, most of which don't require a large portion of the abilities you've learned to date, and pick up a skill that some ignore entirely. I would be happy if certain story fights like Shinryu was locked until a player completed their level 70 job quest, as some classes would be complete once they get that last quest out of the way.

[Miracle_Diva]

@KaivaC
I agree with that and I'm gonna quote myself from different parser thread

I REALLY hope that people start improving BEFORE they go to Ex\Savage.
I wish game would help those who learn about their class throughout lvling to 70, so when people suddenly face trials like Shinryu normal after faceroll content, they wouldn't cry for nerf.
Personal parser wont help in that case, cuz you can't compare yourself to others.
I hope SE will do something with it soon, hope that we get a *system* that reward you for doing more, so people would finally think - Hm, this guy does way more than I do playing the same class, if I do more I get additional tomestones\items\etc, but how do I do more?*

Game should motivate players to be better, parser seem to be a faster way, you will just have to face reality and search for ways to improve or cry how others *harassing you when you have fun in your own way* even if you're complete burden to your group.

[era1Ne]

I don't think that's her/his point. This mini game would be for the casual peeps that have no idea how to play their roles lol. Give people who probably have no intention of stepping into O4S a way to gauge their performance, but make it kinda fun. This whole thread seems to be talking about casuals in DF coasting by with no idea where their performance should sit, this idea seems like something someone might take a crack at for the lols and actually learn something in the process. Not saying it couldn't use some work, but the spirit of it isn't bad.

I agree with you that a mini game or challenge mode, would be a good idea and especially casual people would improve using the mode. But that wasn't my point, because i believe you cant judge the performance in an specific fight with another fight or a training arena. You can be good at the dummy or a training arena with a few aoes and train your rotation or how to keep uptime, but you will get better at keeping uptime the fastest, if you do the content itself, since the mechanics/downtime there won't be the same as in the minigame. Anyway, thats besides the main point

Think about racing tracks. An gold medal at track A doesn't mean you get a gold medal at track B and therefore you can't judge 100% your performance in content B with the numbers of content A. You can probably assume after spending hours in the minigame/training arena, that you'll perform better during the other content aswell, but you cant be sure and you don't know how good you actually are. Only an official parser for every content could deliver that.