Survey: Community Opinions Regarding Parsing/Parsers in Final Fantasy XIV

[Lelila38]

Been in this game since launch. Raiding since Coil, farmed ponies and birds when they were relevant, so I've been around pf groups a lot. Never been or seen anyone be harassed about their numbers. All I got was a poke that my dps was low way back in ARR, the whole group was very relaxed about it and still let me run with them. But that encouraged me to research my class and its rotations and become a player that can actually be of help to my static now. Ever since, I strive to get better in each run I do, even if it's just a low dungeon. I always give it my all. If I can't commit to that, I don't queue. Cause I don't wanna burden my team.
Personally, I find the current obsession with meta group comps, that's increasing in pf much more worrisome.

[RichardButte]

Personally, I find the current obsession with meta group comps, that's increasing in pf much more worrisome.

Parsers would actually fix this because it would allow, say, good MCHs to prove how good they are instead of players just assuming that MCH as a class is crap and taking a SAM instead.

[Keeg]

Pretty good survey overall only criticism I would have is to separate extremes from savage/ultimate in the category sections. While every one has their own definition of casual; I feel there is more lee way in extreme content then some of the harder savage content. Therefore, I believe it is deserving of its own category when deciding what it should/shouldn't have.

[Cynric]

It's never happening because our community can't handle it. I'd love to see my damage on PS4, but I know its never going to happen. It's more likely they'll find a way to break ACT to make the PC/PS4 players even than it is to see them implement a parser.

Also a lot of players typically play the game without going to different websites and stuff, so you'll need to do a lot legwork to get any kind of real data.

[Aeducan]

I'm sure these people are clicking on the "Pro Parser" survey and clicking every response that sounds like "I want parsing because I want to be a gigantic flaming jerk to everyone".

The same could be said about pro-parsers clicking on the "anti-parser" survey and wrote something that makes them [anti-parsers] look like incompetent snowflakes, no? Before you start going gaga on me, I'm indifferent about parse and wholeheartedly agree that parser is an invaluable tool for improvement. I even supported your thread about personal parser, but there's civil debate and there's downright slandering paranoia like this.

Does it ever occurred to you that maybe you should try to understand why anti-parsers are so against parsing? Some of their concerns are absolutely valid, albeit I agree with you that sometimes they don't present their arguments in the most... err, mature way... by calling pro-parsers "toxic/elitist". This is why the whole for/anti-parser debate is going in circles; both sides are just too eager to bring the others down by all means necessary.

I just hope both pro/anti-parsers would explain their reasonings eloquently on the survey so that HyoMin could summarize them easily. Maybe then people can eventually sit down and have actual discussion, rather than bashing each other like the oh-so-many-other threads about parsing.

Lastly, thank you HyoMin for taking the time to create this survey. I look forward to seeing the results.

[StarRosie]

A well worded version of a post I was gonna make.

Please, just take all my likes.

[RichardButte]

The same could be said about pro-parsers clicking on the "anti-parser" survey and wrote something that makes them [anti-parsers] look like incompetent snowflakes, no? Before you start going gaga on me, I'm indifferent about parse and wholeheartedly agree that parser is an invaluable tool for improvement. I even supported your thread about personal parser, but there's civil debate and there's downright slandering paranoia like this.

Does it ever occurred to you that maybe you should try to understand why anti-parsers are so against parsing? Some of their concerns are absolutely valid, albeit I agree with you that sometimes they don't present their arguments in the most... err, mature way... by calling pro-parsers "toxic/elitist". This is why the whole for/anti-parser debate is going in circles; both sides are just too eager to bring the others down by all means necessary.

I just hope both pro/anti-parsers would explain their reasonings eloquently on the survey so that HyoMin could summarize them easily. Maybe then people can eventually sit down and have actual discussion, rather than bashing each other like the oh-so-many-other threads about parsing.

Lastly, thank you HyoMin for taking the time to create this survey. I look forward to seeing the results.

I understand what you're saying (liked your post), but the mentality of the anti-parse community is so massively hypocritical that it's difficult to take them seriously.

Let me summarize this...

When a tank can't hold aggro, they get kicked.

When a healer can't keep the tank alive, they get kicked.

But even when a DPS doing less than half the damage of the healer, suddenly anyone who takes objection to the fact is seen as a literal monster, and all for just expecting that the DPS player play with a level of competency equal to that of the tank and healer.

Why is it okay for two of the three roles to be scrutinized for their performance, but the third must be so thoroughly shielded from feedback of any kind that they're not even allowed to gauge their OWN performance?

There's also the very double-edged argument I keep seeing of "Players should be allowed to go at their own pace, play how they want, etc." while completely ignoring the input of the (at minimum) other three players in the party who may have wanted to clear whatever content this is a great deal faster but had no say in the matter.

Why is it okay to force the other three players to play in a manner THEY don't want to, but you're an elitist monster for expecting the DPS to try to meet those players half way?

Again, the VAST majority of the blame falls upon SE here, because they designed the game in such a way that it demands good play from healers and tanks, but asks absolutely nothing from DPS players UNTIL they suddenly run into the DPS check wall, at which point it's a massive slap in the face.

Having no indicator of how well you're actually performing is just as damaging to DPS players, which is why I feel like personal parsers are the safest bet.

Tanks learn how to hold aggro and mitigate because they have clear indicators of when they're doing well or poorly and can adjust their rotation accordingly. The same goes for healers.

DPS have nothing to go off of (until maybe they get to SSS) and it flies completely in the face of how the game should be teaching them as they level.

[HyoMinPark]

Just to confirm, I clicked through all the different surveys (didn't submit any inappropriately). All of them have the same questions? It's a bit weird that you ask "would you like to see a parser implemented?" in both the "questions for those who are pro" and "questions for those who are anti" surveys.

Yes, the questions are generally the same across all surveys because I want to see the response trends from pro-parsers, anti-parsers, those who are indifferent/have no opinion, and those who are unsure. Ideally, the survey would have jumped to an appropriate section based upon the answer to the Foundation Question, but features like that are premium/paid features, so I had to do separate surveys for each answer of the Foundation Question.

Ah I just remembered something.

I feel like the survey should have included this question:

Do you raid mostly in a static/fc/friends or do you mostly PUG? (Or both)

I feel like its an important question because who you run with parsers can have a different outlook on parsers.

That is a fair point. ^^ It would have been interesting to see. And I may have influences on how people treat parsing in general. I suppose I was mainly focused on the "harassment" aspect of parsing, since that is brought up so frequently in debates surrounding them.

I also wished I had included a demographic for Data Centers. Just to see how far my survey reaches. Hindsight is 20/20, after all. ^^ Maybe if I do something like this again on a different topic I can keep something like that in mind.

Pretty good survey overall only criticism I would have is to separate extremes from savage/ultimate in the category sections. While every one has their own definition of casual; I feel there is more lee way in extreme content then some of the harder savage content. Therefore, I believe it is deserving of its own category when deciding what it should/shouldn't have.

I appreciate your feedback. Regarding Exteme trials, they should have had their own checkbox regarding the content one usually plays, and I did not use them as part of my definition for who a "raider" is. Since a lot of the raiders I have spoken to recently do not really consider Extremes in the same category as Savage/Ultimate.

It's never happening because our community can't handle it. I'd love to see my damage on PS4, but I know its never going to happen. It's more likely they'll find a way to break ACT to make the PC/PS4 players even than it is to see them implement a parser.

Also a lot of players typically play the game without going to different websites and stuff, so you'll need to do a lot legwork to get any kind of real data.

Thank you for your feedback. ^^ As per my disclaimer in the OP, I do not believe that my survey will get enough traffic to yield largely representative results. But I am curious nonetheless in what sort of answers I will get. ^^

[Musashidon]

Tanks learn how to hold aggro and mitigate because they have clear indicators of when they're doing well or poorly and can adjust their rotation accordingly. The same goes for healers.

i can't agree with this, while yes we can kick bad healers and tanks, not being able to do your job at all isn't the same as having mediocre dps.

yes blizzard mages are bad but there is a difference between the worst and the average.

every role is held to higher standards by the player base than which is actually required, be it healer, tank or dps.

[RichardButte]

every role is held to higher standards by the player base than which is actually required, be it healer, tank or dps.

Sadly, that judgement will still happen, one way or another.

Again, I blame SE for this entirely. It's not the player's fault if the game fails in its role of teaching us to play our classes as we level.

I arrived at level 70 on my AST knowing exactly how to get the most out of the class.

I arrived at level 70 on my MCH understanding the basic rotation, but it took some external guides to figure out how to actually do decent DPS.