You hear about Intel meltdown?

[aesteval]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018...n-and-spectre/

But all in all, the big outcome is what this could mean to Intel / repercussions. Class action lawsuits have already started, and this is a significant issue on a systems architecture level that's been lingering for a long time that has to be fixed via software because Intel is unable to fix the flaw without designing and releasing new processors. Their entire product line is now considered defective and they have to engineer new chips that are not affected.

[LalaRu]

...Class action lawsuits have already started...

And them will go nowhere. Nobody can guarantee perfect software or hardware. Lawsuits may have effects if Intel done that bug on purpose but I think hardly you can prove a so silly statement.

[Tridus]

And them will go nowhere. Nobody can guarantee perfect software or hardware. Lawsuits may have effects if Intel done that bug on purpose but I think hardly you can prove a so silly statement.

Ever heard of the Pentium FDIV bug? Lawsuits on that very quickly forced Intel into a voluntary recall program that cost $475 million. Intel didn't do that on purpose either. That was in 90s dollars when the market was a lot smaller. Dismissing stuff out of hand now doesn't go very well with past history of problems at this scale.

Even without lawsuits, this will cost Intel. It hurts performance, and on the workloads where it hurts the most, AMD is already competitive and not affected to the same degree. That market buys a lot of processors, and the workstation folks tend to buy the higher end, higher profit models.

[aesteval]

And them will go nowhere. Nobody can guarantee perfect software or hardware. Lawsuits may have effects if Intel done that bug on purpose but I think hardly you can prove a so silly statement.

Class action lawsuits have gone places over stupider things. I personally wouldn't place bets on how far this will or won't go, but you do you by all means. The entire thing where this exists because Intel processors are executing commands before verifying access permissions lays out the groundwork for an argument of negligence. If mitigation requires taking a performance hit that also means there's at least a decade's worth of processor sales that will effectively leave customers no longer having the product that they originally purchased.

[LalaRu]

Oh, the issue is so evident that taken only 10 years to be discovered ?
But, will not deny how serious is the issue. But is no different than other serious exploit discovered in the years. This one just got highlighted by the media because, well, because they can? Intel hate? Who knows.

Anyone remembers when flash player born? That piece of software was the best and greatest place for virus, malware, remote control, any kind of pestilence to your computer, its creator deserves to be called the greatest hacker of history, because made one of the best pc infection door and made it to be even installed by default in PCs, and excluded by antivirus as legit software. That man is legend.

[Riardon]

Ah another backdoor feat..erh security vulnerability I mean. It was there for 10 years. It makes you wonder how many more security holes are baked into hardware but didn't see the light of publicity yet. And how many have already been patched silently.
I guess XIV has Intel servers and I really wonder what the hit of performance will be on XIV's servers after the patch. Fortnite devs already saw a performance hit. I guess we don't need to worry or do we?

[Kewitt]

I did ffxiv she benchmark before and after patching my computer. Load times up about 10% from 18.533 seconds to 20.031 seconds
Fps unchanged in 5 before and 5 after within margin of error.
I7 3770
16 GB ram
Nvidia 1070
SSD 256

On a side note desktop sales down so why not make it so everyone has to upgrade to protect themselves.

[Allyriadil]

Stop defending Intel, what they did was a terrible oversight and skimping on security.

"No real peformance impact"



This was reported by Epic Games.
Also their CEO sold stocks right before meltdown became public knowledge, he has been aware of it since summer 2017 thanks to a heads up by Google.

Proprietary software and hardware is terrible, this is just another reason to support open source.
The future needs RISC-V open instruction sets for processors, so this stuff can be prevented.

[Nedkel]

I did ffxiv she benchmark before and after patching my computer. Load times up about 10% from 18.533 seconds to 20.031 seconds
Fps unchanged in 5 before and 5 after within margin of error.
I7 3770
16 GB ram
Nvidia 1070
SSD 256

On a side note desktop sales down so why not make it so everyone has to upgrade to protect themselves.

The patch itself affect the reading and writing speed of the SSD's much more than the in game performance.
The security holes of the intel cpu's sounds very familiar, its like i have heard about it long time ago, but everyone was making a fun of it calling it a conspiracy tin foil haters, it came out to be true, thats funny. .

But, will not deny how serious is the issue. But is no different than other serious exploit discovered in the years. This one just got highlighted by the media because, well, because they can? Intel hate? Who knows.

It is a hardware security hole which cannot be repaired with the software updated, thats why.
The thing was an open doors for anyone who know how to use.

[Claviusnex]

Proprietary software and hardware is terrible, this is just another reason to support open source.
The future needs RISC-V open instruction sets for processors, so this stuff can be prevented.

That still might not have prevented this problem. The instruction set does not determine how the manufacturer implement the specification on the silicon or in their firmware so they could still have security holes.