The Journey - Is It Still Wanted?

[Hanemakikaze]

This is where your opinion and mine differ then.

I always had tons of stuff do do in XI regardless of my level, and I had tons of fun doing it.

Genkai quests
AF quests
SOLO (Yes it was viable for any class even in the "Early days")
Umpteen ammounts of quests that were extremly fulfilling either by reward of rare and expensive spells or priceless maps.
Friends to play with
Friends to help
Friends to explore with

Funny thing is I never had to be a specific level to help/play/laugh with my friends. My level was irrelivant in the long run, we did things because we wanted too. Not for the gear, not for the reward, but for the hell of it, just to see the person you helped say "Thanks man!"

Short sightedness like people spewing bile at the leveling process in a game upsets me because it's in that "Grind" where friendships and bonds are formed. People working towards a common goal, when you take all the challenge out of that it just becomes...boring.

PLing in XI was a far cry from what it is in XIV, having unlimited healing and having somone utterly destroy a group of monsters for you are two totally different stories. If Yoshida wants us to help our friends out...that's perfectly fine. Just don't let us do all the work for our friends, thats just stupid.

This sounds like something a new player would be doing, unlike you all the above was already completed (quests, AF etc). And exploring, what's to explore when you've been everywhere, done everything? Friends to help, there are none unless I'm ditching my effort to level my own class that I've been trying to to all week just to merit instead. And lastly, yeah friends to play with isn't as easy as you're trying to make it sound. There wasn't always some magical level sync, 9 times out 10 they had nothing in my range, then you're talking about solo...you've got to be kidding me.

[Frein]

K, please show me where I say anywhere that I want game handed to me.

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I never felt accomplished in that game, it was more like "god finally I'm done with this bs, now for the boring merit parties ugh"...

Also I dunno what game you were playing but yeah, you needed a tank for birds AND Crawlers unless you were far over its level or on equal grounds. Meaning, when people first enter there, which was around 56 if i remember, there's no way you're getting effective exp without a tank. You could not do what you're saying under well in the mid to late 60s which is damn close to be capped anyway so you've "experienced" everything already. And I'm torturing myself how exactly, take a deep breath and go look back and read where it says I quit XI then come back and finish what you're trying to say. Because I'm pretty damn sure this game is nothing like XI.

IIRC colibri hit like wet towels and died seconds after the first WS landed. The "tank" you needed wasn't much more than an initial voker. Also, at 72 when Utsusemi: Ni became subbable, you didn't need even that as every member of the group was simultaneously a tank as well as whatever other role they played.

As far as your self-torture goes, you said you played FFXI for five years despite hating it and now you're playing FFXIV which hasn't always been as easy mode (as far as leveling speed goes) as it is now, and which very easily may have its leveling speed slowed down in the future.

[Davorok]

I guess I am one of the masochists that enjoyed the XI zone grind but that's because I had a unique perspective...as a Father.

I played FFXI with my 2 daughters on the weekends. We had lots of fun trying out all the different jobs so the grind was lessened by the excitement of learning new abilities, weapon skills, spells and learning how to use them.

We also had 2 very good LS's with which we did quests, missions, bcnm's, campaigns, avatars, besieged and could almost always get a grind party together. I agree though that low level PT's became more scarce after ToAU so many times I had to Plvl/heal a low-man PT instead of being in the PT with my kids but that seemed the fatherly thing to do. ;>)

My daughters outgrew the game while I played off & on for a couple more years but that's when the grind finally got to me and I quit. None of us ever reached Sea, Sky, Dynamis or any endgame content but we had a lot of fun and still have many good memories (as well as frustrations) about the game.

I'm not sure what I'm trying to say except that I think any grind is more tolerable if you have family and/or friends to do it with and also as long as there is much more to do than just level up, you can have a fun successful game.

[Jynx]

you needed a tank for birds AND Crawlers unless you were far over its level or on equal grounds.

Once ToAU got into full swing tanks became a afterthought in parties much like mages or any class that took time/effort to use it's skills.

Bard+Meele thats all you needed, maybe a healer if you had a sub-par party. All thanks to making fights faster and easier.

[Jynx]

unlike you all the above was already completed (quests, AF etc). And exploring, what's to explore when you've been everywhere, done everything?

You did all the quests and explored everywhere? I call BS I spent seven years playing XI and there was always something to do even with just one level 75 job.

"Ditching my effort to level my own class"? That's just you being selfish, when did doing something for your friends need a reward? I solod tons of merits on my THIEF if I can do it, anyone can, and tons did. Get your head out of your behind and look beyond your silly objective opinion and realise that there were tons of people who enjoyed XI for exactly what it was, and those same people are looking at XIV to provide a similar (If not slightly different) experience.

If you still think that only new players had tons of stuff to do in XI, then I doubt you ever truely played the game at all and just wasted a few years of your life not even playing all the content available to you.

[Hanemakikaze]

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IIRC colibri hit like wet towels and died seconds after the first WS landed. The "tank" you needed wasn't much more than an initial voker. Also, at 72 when Utsusemi: Ni became subbable, you didn't need even that as every member of the group was simultaneously a tank as well as whatever other role they played.

As far as your self-torture goes, you said you played FFXI for five years despite hating it and now you're playing FFXIV which hasn't always been as easy mode (as far as leveling speed goes) as it is now, and which very easily may have its leveling speed slowed down in the future.

Ok, you quote me but what exactly am I looking for? Looks like you couldn't find a thing & just quoted randomly. And no, birds didn't hit like wet noodles, their tp move did a shit ton of damage when they are checking VT-IT nor did they just die after a ws until higher. When you first enter those areas it's not some mega fast exp cake walk like you making it out to be. And XIV wasn't always easy mode? Is that a joke? All you had to do was the same 8 leves every day for 100k+ exp, took no "coordination" just mindless killing as you say, even on the rare occasion you partied still no. Frankly I'm done trying to explain because you're just gonna keep repeating the same thing sooo yeah, we're through here.

[Hanemakikaze]

You did all the quests and explored everywhere? I call BS I spent seven years playing XI and there was always something to do even with just one level 75 job.

"Ditching my effort to level my own class"? That's just you being selfish, when did doing something for your friends need a reward? I solod tons of merits on my THIEF if I can do it, anyone can, and tons did. Get your head out of your behind and look beyond your silly objective opinion and realise that there were tons of people who enjoyed XI for exactly what it was, and those same people are looking at XIV to provide a similar (If not slightly different) experience.

If you still think that only new players had tons of stuff to do in XI, then I doubt you ever truely played the game at all and just wasted a few years of your life not even playing all the content available to you.

Do you actually read before you say anything? I mean really. So you're calling BS on something only I would personally know, then proceed to tell me I'm selfish because I want to level a job after I get home & not merit? Seems like the jokes on you, because you don't seem to know a thing and dropping a bunch of assumptions like this forum normally does without any solid facts besides your whole self proclaimed crap.

And also good job not reading like 90% of what I said, we aren't talking soloing at 75 (seriously why would I be soloing on a 75 when I want group on a 40?), not even in the slightest so there's another nice little assumption gone wrong. The only objective opinion I see are the people here, did I once say I care how you play your game? Nope, yet here I am arguing about the most pointless crap over some people trying to defend something that I gave not so "omg so nostalgic" opinion about.

Moral of the story, actually read my posts before you start running your mouth instead of skimming through so you can grab some out of context quote to try and look witty.

[indira]

funny thing about some of these post people want everything handed to them, reason theres so many oblivious people in a simple grind party theses days is just that.

they NEED to make a organized party system, jobs might do it but you know SE theses days. every kill should be earned or just give us 100K XP a hour sitting in town.

[Jinko]

This basically looks like a FF11 nosteligia party, have fun.

/Turns around and leaves.

[Lucifer]

A lot of you people make me sick with your nonsense about not wanting to level up like in FFXI.
FFXI define what an RPG was about. It might have been long an tedious but the fact is, that was what MUD's were all about. You needed to earn your place at the top by putting in the time.
What we have today is masses of spoiled people who just want to compete with everyone on the same footing without having to put in the effort.
Why bother playing an RPG if all you're going to do is whine and complain about how something takes too long? The deconstruction of this genre has taken a turn for the worse.