Either SMN and RDM should lose their Raise or BLM should get a Raise.

[Truvy]

Don't give BLM raise...give them NECO-RAISE and allow BLM to raise dead party members as zombie-pets to control. Then give WHM the ability to purify and convert the risen zombie to live players again.

[Llugen]

WOOO another person on board for necromancy!

And actually yeah I should probably use those spoiler delineations for statements that have to be made over and over again in my signature lol


Again, careful consideration and implementation is what is needed for a raise ability on BLM. NO ONE WANTS Triplecast + RaiseRaiseRaise. No one.

[Ceallach]

Again, careful consideration and implementation is what is needed for a raise ability on BLM. NO ONE WANTS Triplecast + RaiseRaiseRaise. No one.

That would involve looking at the lore and gameplay, and you can look through the thread for all the reasons why black mage does not need Raise. It needs something, yes, but not Raise. I don't care if it's necromancy or whatever. This is the worst idea on the forums right now.

I had three ideas on Burn and Frost. One of the other two was Frost weakening resistance to physical damage and Burn weakening resistance to magical damage, so that they'd work as party support. The other was Burn weakening resistance to astral elements (fire, lightning, and wind), which would help dragoon and machinist as well as other DPS Disciples of Magic and white mage, while Frost would weaken resistance to umbral elements (earth, ice, and water) to help white, black, and red mages.

[Amoryenar]

Hildibrand is not considered a canon figure in FF.

Mhachi Black Mages tried to control the void and it backfired on them during the War of the Magi before the events of the Sixth Umbral Calamity which, if you paid attention to the RDM Storyline, gave rise to Ala Mhigo and Red Magic. BLMs cannot reach into the void lest you want another Calamity.

[Amoryenar]

@Amoryenar


gilgamesh is here because the void, omega summons creatures through the void, exdeath came through the void, world of darkness came through the void...i mean if you want to get technical, they can say " a sub creation of the blackmage has came through the void and bestowed his knowledge and skills to the thaumaturge and blackmages of eorzea" but ykno it fits the lore cos THE VOID.

Omega exists outside of our dimension that doesn't mean the void.
Gilgamesh has nothing to do with the void
Hildibrand's questline was a joke, it's been stated
Why would you waste a swiftcast on an immobile class to raise someone? People already complain about the lack of mobility the last thing anyone wants to hear is people complaining about losing enochian because they had to waste swiftcast on a raise.

[Cynfael]

This whole lore debate continues to be a side-show. It's obvious that some people regard the lore as being extremely rigid, while others see room for interpretation.

The questions I ask myself first are the following:

1. Do I want to have a resurrection skill as BLM?
2. Do I believe that having one is the only way to regain a competitive edge vs. other Job choices?

For me the answer to both of those questions is still no, which makes the lore debate optional.

Don't give BLM raise...give them NECO-RAISE

I'm all for a neko-raise.

"Yomigaere Nyan-nyan yo"
Party member's aether is snatched from the brink of dissipation and reshaped into the form of an adorable cat.

Lore always has room for kitty.

[Remedi]

Oh btw the void of FFXIV =/= The interdimensional rift which supposefly connects all FF worlds

the void we are familiar with is the result of a flood of darkness on one shard of the world, the interdimensional rift is well a space between dimensions don't mix them up (also it's very vague as a concept it can link all the universes of FF and maybe he doesn't SE hasn't really explained it and probably never will is up to player imagination imho)

[LeeraSorlan]

Omega exists outside of our dimension that doesn't mean the void.
Gilgamesh has nothing to do with the void
Hildibrand's questline was a joke, it's been stated
Why would you waste a swiftcast on an immobile class to raise someone? People already complain about the lack of mobility the last thing anyone wants to hear is people complaining about losing enochian because they had to waste swiftcast on a raise.

Gilgamesh has alot to do with the void._.

In any case, its a pointless debate at this point i guess, i dont want BLM to have a raise, i never did and i strongly disagree with the idea.


I just figured theres alot more useful reasons why BLM shouldnt get a raise besides lore, lore is the weakest arguement against why not, imo.


its clear how many disagree with that it seems, so theres little point dragging it on

[ChaoticCrimson]

Let's say lore and gameplay reasons are all hanged and BLM somehow gets a Raise spell. Huzzah for you. Now what? How do you expect that will go? Do you really think BLM would be more desirable and more efficient? Do you really want people expecting you to res them when you're already doing your best to keep up DPS while moving as little as possible to prevent messing up your rotation? Why would anyone add a BLM with a Raise for progression over a far more mobile SMN or RDM, who are designed to better handle that utility? You can make your arguments for why a Raise variant on BLM would help the job, but if we're all honest if they did give it to BLM I suspect almost every player would be demanding SE to remove it in hardly any time at all, and demand they instead find ways to make it a more viable damage-dealing job. There's nothing wrong with a job that focuses primarily on selfish damage dealing, as long as it's used in the proper context. Party utility is nice, but not every job in the party needs it. I'm not going to outright dismiss anyone for wanting BLM to have Raise utility, but I would have them really think about the answers to those questions, as well as this: Would it really be worth it?

[Sunako]

It does not matter how much blm lose dps from ressing. The point is you can practice certain phase without starting all over again. Attempt will most likely wipe due dps checks anyway, if you have many player with weakness status. It is like having practice mode.