Why Does It Feel Like Poor Play Is Acceptable (I'm Venting.)

[Alleo]

I have never done healer hall, but do they say should or could? I agree a healer should DPS, and a tank should pull as much as he and the group can handle. Even semi afk players should be able to handle more then one group at a time. I mean most dungeons are trivial if people pull one group at a time.

Sadly I am not sure how the wording was (and since I am from Germany it might not be correct too) but it probably was not a "must do". Anyway its still kinda telling if the beginners hall do mention DPS as healer. I am not saying that people should DPS as a healer (and I dont want to start that debate again) just pointing out that maybe its just a bit more than simply healing a bit. (And some are not even able to do that..)

Well the recent DPS checks do feel like they are too easy but thats probably because we often over-level them. I mean the bees in the older dungeon or even the demon wall when it was still recent was quite the check. In the end you can carry one bad player through the instance if its a DD. If the healer is really bad you will probably not manage to finish it, the same with a tank. (Honestly for me and my tank friends its quite the rarity to have an Ala Mhigo run without the healer not messing up at at least one point. x))

Also I would never just kick someone for not doing DPS as a healer. If they have high gear and just stand around I will sigh and shake my head but I will go on with that. Just means that they wont get my recommendation at the end.

[Tridus]

Sadly I am not sure how the wording was (and since I am from Germany it might not be correct too) but it probably was not a "must do". Anyway its still kinda telling if the beginners hall do mention DPS as healer. I am not saying that people should DPS as a healer (and I dont want to start that debate again) just pointing out that maybe its just a bit more than simply healing a bit. (And some are not even able to do that..)

Been a while, but IIRC it was "should". It basically came down to if there's no healing that needs doing, add some DPS. They never tell you that you "must", and they never suggest to prioritize it over healing. They do suggest that standing around doing nothing isn't the best idea, which is pretty reasonable.

Also I would never just kick someone for not doing DPS as a healer. If they have high gear and just stand around I will sigh and shake my head but I will go on with that. Just means that they wont get my recommendation at the end.

I wouldn't either, in roulette. If we're having problems with enrages in Ex and I see it, that's different. I main a healer. While I don't claim to be awesome at DPS myself, I do far better than absolutely nothing. Most fights have plenty of windows to sneak some in without risking anyone's safety.

[Awha]

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In the current state of the game I do not kick healers for not doing damage since from what I have seen nothing in the game outside current high end content reinforce the need for healer DPS.

My word choice might be off, not a native speaker but the point I am trying to make is that if the developers and the community did not differ when it came to standards the issue would be lessen. As it stands poor play is supported by the developers. It is hard for me to explain but here it goes. Hope you understand.

Though I will never kick a healer with the current standards and expectations that the devs seem to be pushing for the same reason I would never try to remove a tank that only does single pulls, or for a dps that spams one skill or never uses aoe in large pulls. Because those are player expectations not developer ones. Hard to explain but that is what I feel is wrong, community and the developers are not on the same page each have a different mindset as to what the expect the baseline for players to be. Though if the devs ever pushed that the they expected healers to always be casting, for tanks to pull as much as the group can handle, and for dps to use their combos and aoe when faced with larger groups. Then yeah I would remove those players since at that point it is simply no longer a personal expectation but one supported also by the devs.

Though as it stands I just go with the flow in DF, and if it annoys me too much I simply leave.